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Just because it was led by such does not mean that the soldier was not fighting for their liberated futures.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Just because it was led by such does not mean that the soldier was not fighting for their liberated futures. The claim being addressed is “Both revolutions actually overthrew the rich aristocrats and created a democratic republic...” This is a claim about actual outcomes, not motivations.
- nickthemagicman 9y ago
  The actual outcomes are two of the greatest long lasting Democratic Republics in the history of the HUMAN RACE.... Also, compared to the aristocrats, lords, and king and queen of 1700' British empire, George Washington and company were absolute low rent scrubs. Sure there were varied classes of people who revolted but the ultimate outcome was to rip the power and wealth from the rich few and give it to the many.... We the fucking people.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > The actual outcomes are two of the greatest long lasting Democratic Republics in the history of the HUMAN RACE.... The French Revolution didn't produce a democratic republic. It produced a series of short lived regimes imposed from the top down, culminating in the First Empire. France is a democratic republic now, but only continuously since 155 years after the Revolution (if you pretend the Vichy regime didn't happen, it's been a democratic republic since the fall of the Second Empire, “only” 80 years after the revolution.)
    - nickthemagicman 9y ago
      Note all of those 'short lived top down, regimes' ended in minor revolutions as well with the people taking the power back from the top, the outcome eventually establishing a Democratic Republic. The French Revolution was the key and laid the groundwork to the eventual Democratic Republic by establishing the Rights of Man, the first French Constitution, and destroying aristocratic society from top to bottom, along with its structure of dependencies and privileges. We can nitpick all we want about the various intermediary forms of govt but the ultimate outcome from the French Revolution was the French Democratic Republic, which laid the groundwork militarily, philosophically, and culturally.

> Just because it was led by such does not mean that the soldier was not fighting for their liberated futures. The claim being addressed is “Both revolutions actually overthrew the rich aristocrats and created a democratic republic...” This is a claim about actual outcomes, not motivations.

nickthemagicman 9y ago
The actual outcomes are two of the greatest long lasting Democratic Republics in the history of the HUMAN RACE.... Also, compared to the aristocrats, lords, and king and queen of 1700' British empire, George Washington and company were absolute low rent scrubs. Sure there were varied classes of people who revolted but the ultimate outcome was to rip the power and wealth from the rich few and give it to the many.... We the fucking people.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > The actual outcomes are two of the greatest long lasting Democratic Republics in the history of the HUMAN RACE.... The French Revolution didn't produce a democratic republic. It produced a series of short lived regimes imposed from the top down, culminating in the First Empire. France is a democratic republic now, but only continuously since 155 years after the Revolution (if you pretend the Vichy regime didn't happen, it's been a democratic republic since the fall of the Second Empire, “only” 80 years after the revolution.)
  - nickthemagicman 9y ago
    Note all of those 'short lived top down, regimes' ended in minor revolutions as well with the people taking the power back from the top, the outcome eventually establishing a Democratic Republic. The French Revolution was the key and laid the groundwork to the eventual Democratic Republic by establishing the Rights of Man, the first French Constitution, and destroying aristocratic society from top to bottom, along with its structure of dependencies and privileges. We can nitpick all we want about the various intermediary forms of govt but the ultimate outcome from the French Revolution was the French Democratic Republic, which laid the groundwork militarily, philosophically, and culturally.