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In a sense technology have already conquered sex: in japan ~15% of young males say they "have no interest in sex",probably because of porn and the complexities

by petra 9y ago

In a sense technology have already conquered sex: in japan ~15% of young males say they "have no interest in sex",probably because of porn and the complexities of human relationships. As for the meme about man's creations killing their maker, with an ever growing power of technology, statistically, isn't it just a matter of time ?

sillysaurus3 9y ago
That 15% figure seems dubious. It's a primal desire. It may have just been a polite response.
- falcor84 9y ago
  I would argue that the actual primal desire is for sexual gratification, while sexual intercourse is just one way to do so. The way I see it, masturbation is perhaps the quintessential hack, in the sense of achieving a desired outcome while bypassing the "designed" mechanism.
  - sillysaurus3 9y ago
    That's probably true. Many animals can't.
    - yorwba 9y ago
      However, it appears that many can (warning: link has picture of masturbating monkey) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavior_in_animals#Autoeroticism_or_masturbation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavi...
  - eanzenberg 9y ago
    Those acts aren't nearly equal.. if they were there'd be no humans to speak of.
    - dageshi 9y ago
      Japans population is declining and has been for a while now... In a country where they have a word for the extremely socially withdrawn (Hikikomori), I could believe that 15% number. Not because those people wouldn't want a partner but simply because they believe their chances of getting one are 0% (and in their mind it's not worth trying).
    - freeflight 9y ago
      These acts are pretty much equal in terms of biological reactions and processes. Your hormones/instincts don't care where you "put your load", they only care that you did and normalized hormone levels. It's also not something unique to humans, lots of other animals hump inanimate objects due to reproductive drive/hormonal urges, some primate species are actually quite infamous for their "lewd behavior".
      - stephengillie 9y ago
        A lot of people have had a dog hump their leg.
freeflight 9y ago
It's phenomena like hikikomori, social shutouts who can't cope with the immense pressure of Japanese societal hierarchy, which has become a far more viable lifestyle (than it already had been) due to advances in technology. Along with that came the emergence of the "herbivore men" in Japanese society, partly also a reaction to the immense pressure put on Japanese men to be "successful" in an economy that can't supply "successful jobs" to everybody. Japanese men pretty much invented that whole mgtow-thing before it became popular. The scary angle is a comparison with John Calhoun's Mouse Utopia experiment [2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM

by petra 9y ago

sillysaurus3 9y ago

That 15% figure seems dubious. It's a primal desire. It may have just been a polite response.

falcor84 9y ago
I would argue that the actual primal desire is for sexual gratification, while sexual intercourse is just one way to do so. The way I see it, masturbation is perhaps the quintessential hack, in the sense of achieving a desired outcome while bypassing the "designed" mechanism.
- sillysaurus3 9y ago
  That's probably true. Many animals can't.
  - yorwba 9y ago
    However, it appears that many can (warning: link has picture of masturbating monkey) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavior_in_animals#Autoeroticism_or_masturbation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavi...
- eanzenberg 9y ago
  Those acts aren't nearly equal.. if they were there'd be no humans to speak of.
  - dageshi 9y ago
    Japans population is declining and has been for a while now... In a country where they have a word for the extremely socially withdrawn (Hikikomori), I could believe that 15% number. Not because those people wouldn't want a partner but simply because they believe their chances of getting one are 0% (and in their mind it's not worth trying).
  - freeflight 9y ago
    These acts are pretty much equal in terms of biological reactions and processes. Your hormones/instincts don't care where you "put your load", they only care that you did and normalized hormone levels. It's also not something unique to humans, lots of other animals hump inanimate objects due to reproductive drive/hormonal urges, some primate species are actually quite infamous for their "lewd behavior".
    - stephengillie 9y ago
      A lot of people have had a dog hump their leg.

freeflight 9y ago

It's phenomena like hikikomori, social shutouts who can't cope with the immense pressure of Japanese societal hierarchy, which has become a far more viable lifestyle (than it already had been) due to advances in technology. Along with that came the emergence of the "herbivore men" in Japanese society, partly also a reaction to the immense pressure put on Japanese men to be "successful" in an economy that can't supply "successful jobs" to everybody. Japanese men pretty much invented that whole mgtow-thing before it became popular. The scary angle is a comparison with John Calhoun's Mouse Utopia experiment [2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikikomori [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z760XNy4VM