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> At Google, Employee-Led Effort Finds Software Engineers Are Paid More Than Front-End Developers > At Google, Employee-Led Effort Finds Data Scientists Are Pa

by OzzyB 9y ago

> At Google, Employee-Led Effort Finds Software Engineers Are Paid More Than Front-End Developers > At Google, Employee-Led Effort Finds Data Scientists Are Paid More Than Web Designers > At Google, Employee-Led Effort Finds AI Researchers Are Paid More Than Project Managers I could do this all day... Any chance they'll release the data that backs up this statistical claim?

to_bpr 9y ago
>Any chance they'll release the data that backs up this statistical claim? It was probably a pretty half baked, self-reported Google form so the data may not be worth much.
gyardley 9y ago
Yes, it would be nice to see the raw data, but note that they've bucketed Level 1 through Level 6 employees, and have still found gender discrepancies. Are you suggesting that different jobs might occupy the same level but have widely differing compensation? That might be true - I don't know Google well enough - but that's not how salary bands usually work.
- guitarbill 9y ago
  It's exactly how salary bands work - they're designed to be opaque. If you have women who largely choose to work in Foo with a compensations which puts them at the top of the band 1 and at the bottom of band 2, and men who work in Bar that starts with compensation at the bottom of band 1, but a promotion gets you to the middle of band 2, then you'll get that in band 1, women earn more, but in band 2, men earn more. This is why you must know the actual distributions (which includes weighting and deviation/variance), and the job role. Indeed, in level 2, seems like women earn more - maybe? might not even be significant though. In any case, I'll bet job role correlates far more strongly with compensation than gender.
alexashka 9y ago
You mean any chance they'll release data, do proper analysis, post an unbiased view on things to inform the public on the issue? Do real journalism? I highly doubt it.

by OzzyB 9y ago

to_bpr 9y ago

>Any chance they'll release the data that backs up this statistical claim? It was probably a pretty half baked, self-reported Google form so the data may not be worth much.

gyardley 9y ago

Yes, it would be nice to see the raw data, but note that they've bucketed Level 1 through Level 6 employees, and have still found gender discrepancies. Are you suggesting that different jobs might occupy the same level but have widely differing compensation? That might be true - I don't know Google well enough - but that's not how salary bands usually work.

guitarbill 9y ago
It's exactly how salary bands work - they're designed to be opaque. If you have women who largely choose to work in Foo with a compensations which puts them at the top of the band 1 and at the bottom of band 2, and men who work in Bar that starts with compensation at the bottom of band 1, but a promotion gets you to the middle of band 2, then you'll get that in band 1, women earn more, but in band 2, men earn more. This is why you must know the actual distributions (which includes weighting and deviation/variance), and the job role. Indeed, in level 2, seems like women earn more - maybe? might not even be significant though. In any case, I'll bet job role correlates far more strongly with compensation than gender.

alexashka 9y ago

You mean any chance they'll release data, do proper analysis, post an unbiased view on things to inform the public on the issue? Do real journalism? I highly doubt it.