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> Now seems like the time to set the expectation that this service may not ever be used by private websites. Oh shit! The government knows I bought something

> Now seems like the time to set the expectation that this service may not ever be used by private websites. Oh shit! The government knows I bought something from custom-fishing-lures.com! Ruuuuun! Seriously, what you just listed is a reason not to use the government's Oauth for every website and ban all other implementations. What OP seemed to say, and what I disputed, is the idea that this service should not ever be used by any private website even as one of several options.

arcbyte 9y ago
Don't ever trust anyone who takes your stuff at the threat of violence.
- DaiPlusPlus 9y ago
  This is the basis for the "taxation is theft" argument. It's very weak and wry. The state exists as the means for ensuring positive societal outcomes, such as providing services that the private competitive market cannot or will not supply (tragedy of the commons, game theory, etc). One such possible service is an identity service - and we already have that through a hodge-podge of things like SSN, driving licenses, passports, etc. A consolidation of these services means greater efficiency, less waste, and therefore lower taxes. I'd respect the libertarian position more if it were framed as "greater utility of government" instead of the dogmatic "less government".
  - dnautics 9y ago
    >The state exists as the means for ensuring positive societal outcomes This is the moral basis for outcomes like, snuffing out a person for selling loose cigarettes. In the end, the privileged get away with infractions that hurt people en masse, and the disposessed get punished for offending the sensibilities of those who get to define "positivity" on behalf of society. I'd respect the state position more if there were well defined metrics for "greater utility" and a stronger non self regulating mechanism for accountability, instead of the dogmatic principle that voting constitutes consent.
mcbits 9y ago
Yeah, they know you were browsing custom-fishing-lures.com on your phone just before those girls were strangled with fishing line one block away. The guy who did it wasn't using his imperial login at the time, so you're the only suspect at the moment. As long as you have a good alibi, they won't be able to hold you more than 72 hours and you should be able to get your job back.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > As long as you have a good alibi, they won't be able to hold you more than 72 hours and you should be able to get your job back. The US does not have legally-mandated job-protected leave for pre-trial detention, people have been terminated (for cause, and so not eligible for unemployment, either) for missing one day of work due to an arrest for which no charges were ever filed.
  - mcbits 9y ago
    Thanks, yes, it was the uncertainty about getting the job back that I was hinting at with "should". BTW in case anyone thinks it was a ridiculously contrived example, I was just trying to illustrate that what one person thinks is totally innocuous can appear damning to someone else.

arcbyte 9y ago

Don't ever trust anyone who takes your stuff at the threat of violence.

DaiPlusPlus 9y ago
This is the basis for the "taxation is theft" argument. It's very weak and wry. The state exists as the means for ensuring positive societal outcomes, such as providing services that the private competitive market cannot or will not supply (tragedy of the commons, game theory, etc). One such possible service is an identity service - and we already have that through a hodge-podge of things like SSN, driving licenses, passports, etc. A consolidation of these services means greater efficiency, less waste, and therefore lower taxes. I'd respect the libertarian position more if it were framed as "greater utility of government" instead of the dogmatic "less government".
- dnautics 9y ago
  >The state exists as the means for ensuring positive societal outcomes This is the moral basis for outcomes like, snuffing out a person for selling loose cigarettes. In the end, the privileged get away with infractions that hurt people en masse, and the disposessed get punished for offending the sensibilities of those who get to define "positivity" on behalf of society. I'd respect the state position more if there were well defined metrics for "greater utility" and a stronger non self regulating mechanism for accountability, instead of the dogmatic principle that voting constitutes consent.

mcbits 9y ago

Yeah, they know you were browsing custom-fishing-lures.com on your phone just before those girls were strangled with fishing line one block away. The guy who did it wasn't using his imperial login at the time, so you're the only suspect at the moment. As long as you have a good alibi, they won't be able to hold you more than 72 hours and you should be able to get your job back.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> As long as you have a good alibi, they won't be able to hold you more than 72 hours and you should be able to get your job back. The US does not have legally-mandated job-protected leave for pre-trial detention, people have been terminated (for cause, and so not eligible for unemployment, either) for missing one day of work due to an arrest for which no charges were ever filed.
- mcbits 9y ago
  Thanks, yes, it was the uncertainty about getting the job back that I was hinting at with "should". BTW in case anyone thinks it was a ridiculously contrived example, I was just trying to illustrate that what one person thinks is totally innocuous can appear damning to someone else.