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So I think this is completely wrong. Bootcamps are providing a route to jobs that doesn't involve taking another for years it for a university degree; it's a ma

So I think this is completely wrong. Bootcamps are providing a route to jobs that doesn't involve taking another for years it for a university degree; it's a massive gain in efficiency. By being smaller, bootcamps should have more ability to pivot content to match market demands, and give students advice on directions to persue. Front end development needs for entry level people are getting satisfied, so it's time to how some new teachers and refocus curriculum. Camps need to market as great learning spaces, rather than throwing their whole rep behind a single specially. The notion that the space is overcrowded is bullshit; it just depends where you set your sights. I don't think we would call university education an overcrowded space, in spite of serving many orders of magnitude more students than the bootcamps currently are... One can argue that there are too many law schools, charging to much to create too many entry level lawyers. Hand wringing about these two camps closing is like worrying that there are too many law schools specializing in bankruptcy law. Ultimately I think the closures are more about these two companies failing to adapt than any kind of general lesson about bootcamp education.

jgmmo 9y ago
University education is absolutely an overcrowded space. Most colleges do not live up to their cost. Students are starting to notice and choose other options. It's also well known theres too many law schools and too many lawyers. It's a bad market to enter into now.
- aaronchall 9y ago
  I want to upvote you for your practical values and downvote you because of your lack of cites. Can we get some sources here?
- gaius 9y ago
  How many STEM PhDs/year vs tenure track positions? As as a civilisation we massively over-educate, but under-train...
bdcravens 9y ago
> Bootcamps are providing a route to jobs that doesn't involve taking another for years it for a university degree; it's a massive gain in efficiency. Problem is they aren't teaching enough in bootcamps. You're not going to learn enough in 3-6 months to be hirable. There's too much else to the job, unless you can go to work for those magical companies that use a STACK that is a 1:1 match for what you learned in bootcamp. Most companies aren't interested in hand-holding. If bootcamps would partner with companies to bring in bootcampers at $30k/year and let the real learning begin, it would be a successful model. Unfortunately, the bootcamp marketing is selling something far more grandiose.

jgmmo 9y ago

University education is absolutely an overcrowded space. Most colleges do not live up to their cost. Students are starting to notice and choose other options. It's also well known theres too many law schools and too many lawyers. It's a bad market to enter into now.

aaronchall 9y ago
I want to upvote you for your practical values and downvote you because of your lack of cites. Can we get some sources here?
gaius 9y ago
How many STEM PhDs/year vs tenure track positions? As as a civilisation we massively over-educate, but under-train...

bdcravens 9y ago

> Bootcamps are providing a route to jobs that doesn't involve taking another for years it for a university degree; it's a massive gain in efficiency. Problem is they aren't teaching enough in bootcamps. You're not going to learn enough in 3-6 months to be hirable. There's too much else to the job, unless you can go to work for those magical companies that use a STACK that is a 1:1 match for what you learned in bootcamp. Most companies aren't interested in hand-holding. If bootcamps would partner with companies to bring in bootcampers at $30k/year and let the real learning begin, it would be a successful model. Unfortunately, the bootcamp marketing is selling something far more grandiose.