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Plea deals need to be ended. Allowing any sort of plea deal is imposing a punishment for demanding one's rights.

by BearGoesChirp 9y ago

xeromal 9y ago
If we end plea deals entirely, will we have to go to court for silly things like speeding tickets?
- kbsletten 9y ago
  Yes, which would have the effect of cutting down on speeding tickets issued since it's an extra court date for the officer. Many can't be bothered already when you take a ticket to court.
  - KekDemaga 9y ago
    Summary violations are reasonable enough in my opinion as the fine doesn't increase by virtue of attending court.
- TheCoelacanth 9y ago
  Speeding tickets aren't criminal offenses.
- BearGoesChirp 9y ago
  Require the police to prove their point, make it take some actual work, and perhaps departments will stop using them as a revenue source and focus on more dangerous driving issues than someone going 5 over.
nols 9y ago
What if someone did it and is willing to admit it? Still force them to go to trial, a trial that may take longer than the punishment for their crime? And victims too, say someone robs you, now you're forced to take time off work to attend a trial for the person that admitted to robbing you and also doesn't want a trial. Plus there would need to be a massive expansion of the court system to accommodate trials for everyone. Where's the money to pay for that going to come from? Criminal justice reform is necessary, removing plea deals completely is foolishly short sighted.
- Zigurd 9y ago
  What if someone did it and is willing to admit it? Under current policies, that results in more lenient punishment than the innocent who fight their charges. So, yes, try them. Where is the money for that going to come from? Ending the Drug War would cut the number of criminal cases by more than half.
  - wil421 9y ago
    The whole point of a plea deal is to give a more lenient sentence in exchange for admitting guilt. If that wasn't the case everyone would just go to trial for everything, there's always a chance of getting out. Even traffic court works this way.
    - Zigurd 9y ago
      In theory. In practice, extreme punishments, along with penury from the costs of a defense, have to be threatened because the CJ system has lost the ability to deliver justice at trial.
    - BearGoesChirp 9y ago
      >The whole point of a plea deal is to give a more lenient sentence in exchange for admitting guilt. Which is the same thing as giving a more extreme sentence to someone insisting on their right to a trial.
- gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
  If you can't afford to give that many people due process you can't afford to imprison them.
  - nols 9y ago
    That many people don't go to prison, they get fines or community service or probation.
    - 9y ago

Plea deals need to be ended. Allowing any sort of plea deal is imposing a punishment for demanding one's rights.

xeromal 9y ago

If we end plea deals entirely, will we have to go to court for silly things like speeding tickets?

kbsletten 9y ago
Yes, which would have the effect of cutting down on speeding tickets issued since it's an extra court date for the officer. Many can't be bothered already when you take a ticket to court.
- KekDemaga 9y ago
  Summary violations are reasonable enough in my opinion as the fine doesn't increase by virtue of attending court.
TheCoelacanth 9y ago
Speeding tickets aren't criminal offenses.
BearGoesChirp 9y ago
Require the police to prove their point, make it take some actual work, and perhaps departments will stop using them as a revenue source and focus on more dangerous driving issues than someone going 5 over.

nols 9y ago

What if someone did it and is willing to admit it? Still force them to go to trial, a trial that may take longer than the punishment for their crime? And victims too, say someone robs you, now you're forced to take time off work to attend a trial for the person that admitted to robbing you and also doesn't want a trial. Plus there would need to be a massive expansion of the court system to accommodate trials for everyone. Where's the money to pay for that going to come from? Criminal justice reform is necessary, removing plea deals completely is foolishly short sighted.

Zigurd 9y ago
What if someone did it and is willing to admit it? Under current policies, that results in more lenient punishment than the innocent who fight their charges. So, yes, try them. Where is the money for that going to come from? Ending the Drug War would cut the number of criminal cases by more than half.
- wil421 9y ago
  The whole point of a plea deal is to give a more lenient sentence in exchange for admitting guilt. If that wasn't the case everyone would just go to trial for everything, there's always a chance of getting out. Even traffic court works this way.
  - Zigurd 9y ago
    In theory. In practice, extreme punishments, along with penury from the costs of a defense, have to be threatened because the CJ system has lost the ability to deliver justice at trial.
  - BearGoesChirp 9y ago
    >The whole point of a plea deal is to give a more lenient sentence in exchange for admitting guilt. Which is the same thing as giving a more extreme sentence to someone insisting on their right to a trial.
gjjrfcbugxbhf 9y ago
If you can't afford to give that many people due process you can't afford to imprison them.
- nols 9y ago
  That many people don't go to prison, they get fines or community service or probation.
  - 9y ago