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This boils down to the added masses of administration staff at the schools. American schools are doing more marketing, recruiting, student finance. I have notic

by gt_ 9y ago

This boils down to the added masses of administration staff at the schools. American schools are doing more marketing, recruiting, student finance. I have noticed schools buying huge chunks of real estate in American cities lately too, but not sure why. I only did 2 years of college because I couldn't decide on a major that I was committed enough to justify the mountain of debt at the time. I was starting to work in the film industry and knew film school be a waste. I'm a habitual self-learner so not too sour.

lsc 9y ago
maybe? Like I said, sometimes there are inefficiencies. Still, if you want good teachers, you are gonna have a hard time achieving that goal if you don't pay them enough that they don't need another job. Compared to a silicon valley tech company, everyone at just about any college works for peanuts - and education, if you ask me, is way more important than advertising. Personally, I'd compare education to defense; as I wrote on another comment, I want the other people who get to vote on the laws on my country to have an education, just like I don't want other countries to be able to invade mine. Both of these things, I think, effect my safety. The military also might not be particularly efficient, but we've prioritized effectiveness over efficiency. I think that a strong argument can be made that we should do the same with education. I personally have no formal education to speak of. I'm working on changing that, though, and not for financial reasons.
- lovich 9y ago
  I don't believe we are in disagreement. I would be surprised if there more than a small population of people who were against others getting education. Thelack of faith is coming from colleges, on average, providing a more and more mediocre education that could be replaced by the internet and some decication, while also increasing their costs drastically. When charted by price increase tuition outstrips housing and healthcare which ,I at least would, have considered to have skyrocketed in the past few decades[1] This is all for static information. Math doesn't change, basic comp sci algorithms don't change, classical mechanics don't change, and basic chemistry doesn't change. These arguments might not hold for graduate degrees or higher but most Americans are experiencing the undergraduate programs [1http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d77553fcadcbb551d260000/chart.gif http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d77553fcadcbb551d2...
  - lsc 9y ago
    eh, I think the fundamental bit is that teaching is still skilled labor done by humans; we try to automate and scale it, but then it... kind of becomes a different thing. MOOCs are great; I love Khan Academy; but it's not college. it is a different thing that has advantages and disadvantages. In the end, if you want a good teacher, you need someone who is both inspiring and who understands the edges of the particular field to teach, and those people have other options when it comes to the job market. My impression is that wages for skilled in-demand labor have been going up with housing, healthcare and education... in fact, my impression is that the wages in-demand labor can demand drives the first two of those things. I thought the third was driven by lack of government investment; colleges are a lot less subsidized than they used to be.

by gt_ 9y ago

lsc 9y ago

maybe? Like I said, sometimes there are inefficiencies. Still, if you want good teachers, you are gonna have a hard time achieving that goal if you don't pay them enough that they don't need another job. Compared to a silicon valley tech company, everyone at just about any college works for peanuts - and education, if you ask me, is way more important than advertising. Personally, I'd compare education to defense; as I wrote on another comment, I want the other people who get to vote on the laws on my country to have an education, just like I don't want other countries to be able to invade mine. Both of these things, I think, effect my safety. The military also might not be particularly efficient, but we've prioritized effectiveness over efficiency. I think that a strong argument can be made that we should do the same with education. I personally have no formal education to speak of. I'm working on changing that, though, and not for financial reasons.

lovich 9y ago
I don't believe we are in disagreement. I would be surprised if there more than a small population of people who were against others getting education. Thelack of faith is coming from colleges, on average, providing a more and more mediocre education that could be replaced by the internet and some decication, while also increasing their costs drastically. When charted by price increase tuition outstrips housing and healthcare which ,I at least would, have considered to have skyrocketed in the past few decades[1] This is all for static information. Math doesn't change, basic comp sci algorithms don't change, classical mechanics don't change, and basic chemistry doesn't change. These arguments might not hold for graduate degrees or higher but most Americans are experiencing the undergraduate programs [1http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d77553fcadcbb551d260000/chart.gif http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/4d77553fcadcbb551d2...
- lsc 9y ago
  eh, I think the fundamental bit is that teaching is still skilled labor done by humans; we try to automate and scale it, but then it... kind of becomes a different thing. MOOCs are great; I love Khan Academy; but it's not college. it is a different thing that has advantages and disadvantages. In the end, if you want a good teacher, you need someone who is both inspiring and who understands the edges of the particular field to teach, and those people have other options when it comes to the job market. My impression is that wages for skilled in-demand labor have been going up with housing, healthcare and education... in fact, my impression is that the wages in-demand labor can demand drives the first two of those things. I thought the third was driven by lack of government investment; colleges are a lot less subsidized than they used to be.