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It is dangerous when college becomes, instead of education, indoctrination + a piece of paper + high debt. This is not always the case, but many people evaluate

It is dangerous when college becomes, instead of education, indoctrination + a piece of paper + high debt. This is not always the case, but many people evaluate their own situation and rightfully don't think a college degree is right for them. Since almost everyone in high school is constantly pushing for the students to go to college, anyone that figures that it is not right for them is likely correct. In the US one can always go back to school later, if you decide you want to.

tomjakubowski 9y ago
What "indoctrination" is present at the college level in the US? I can certainly think of examples at earlier stages of US education, like the (effectively) compulsory daily pledge of allegiance.
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  Indoctrination in to the consumerist-materialist-debt-burdened-over-worked-under-paid dream of the current era. I'm not sure anyone is actually convinced by it, but it sure does seem we are convinced we can't implement an alternative.
  - JamesBarney 9y ago
    What made me a materialist was not the wonderland of college but seeing close friends of the family slip up and see their lives spiral out of control because they didn't have enough money. Money doesn't matter when you're 21, and rich in health, family and friends. Money matters soo much when you're 56, tired, boring, and have a bad back.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
      I'm picking up what you're putting down. Pretty much the same thing happened to me. I wish I wasn't so late to the party, I could have had my house paid off my now. Still, I dream there was a less stressful way of going about it all.
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- ggdG 9y ago
  > What "indoctrination" is present at the college level in the US? There is a disturbing trend of mob rule where student activists become increasingly obsessed with the silliest things they perceive as "opression" and try to silence every voice at university campuses that doesn't toe the line with their worldview of intersectional feminism, cultural marxism and postmodern power games. Points in case: The idea that Yale students are smart enough to choose their own Halloween costumes made a mob of activists feel "unsafe" and they threw a fit, bullying two professors (who voiced this idea) for days until they resigned. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new... A transgender candidate (masculine-of-center genderqueer) for the position of "multicultural affairs coordinator" at Wellesley college had to pull out of the race because his opponents accused him of having become a white male and that's not "diverse" enough. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-becom... Then there's Evergreen College. I'm at a loss of words to describe the level of crazy that went on there, but here's Jonathan Haidt's take on it: https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/05/27/this-weeks-witch-hunt/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/05/27/this-weeks-witch-hun...
  - jhanschoo 9y ago
    I'm pretty sure this is only a small bit of the college experience, though I can see how this can actually affect one's perception of the value of college, especially among those in families with few college graduates.
- EduardoBautista 9y ago
  Where I went to high school the pledge was optional.

tomjakubowski 9y ago

What "indoctrination" is present at the college level in the US? I can certainly think of examples at earlier stages of US education, like the (effectively) compulsory daily pledge of allegiance.

TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
Indoctrination in to the consumerist-materialist-debt-burdened-over-worked-under-paid dream of the current era. I'm not sure anyone is actually convinced by it, but it sure does seem we are convinced we can't implement an alternative.
- JamesBarney 9y ago
  What made me a materialist was not the wonderland of college but seeing close friends of the family slip up and see their lives spiral out of control because they didn't have enough money. Money doesn't matter when you're 21, and rich in health, family and friends. Money matters soo much when you're 56, tired, boring, and have a bad back.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    I'm picking up what you're putting down. Pretty much the same thing happened to me. I wish I wasn't so late to the party, I could have had my house paid off my now. Still, I dream there was a less stressful way of going about it all.
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ggdG 9y ago
> What "indoctrination" is present at the college level in the US? There is a disturbing trend of mob rule where student activists become increasingly obsessed with the silliest things they perceive as "opression" and try to silence every voice at university campuses that doesn't toe the line with their worldview of intersectional feminism, cultural marxism and postmodern power games. Points in case: The idea that Yale students are smart enough to choose their own Halloween costumes made a mob of activists feel "unsafe" and they threw a fit, bullying two professors (who voiced this idea) for days until they resigned. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new-intolerance-of-student-activism-at-yale/414810/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/11/the-new... A transgender candidate (masculine-of-center genderqueer) for the position of "multicultural affairs coordinator" at Wellesley college had to pull out of the race because his opponents accused him of having become a white male and that's not "diverse" enough. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-become-men-at-wellesley-college.html https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/19/magazine/when-women-becom... Then there's Evergreen College. I'm at a loss of words to describe the level of crazy that went on there, but here's Jonathan Haidt's take on it: https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/05/27/this-weeks-witch-hunt/ https://heterodoxacademy.org/2017/05/27/this-weeks-witch-hun...
- jhanschoo 9y ago
  I'm pretty sure this is only a small bit of the college experience, though I can see how this can actually affect one's perception of the value of college, especially among those in families with few college graduates.
EduardoBautista 9y ago
Where I went to high school the pledge was optional.