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So the only way around this is to disregard information about a person other than information that 100% without a doubt identifies that person making a purchase

So the only way around this is to disregard information about a person other than information that 100% without a doubt identifies that person making a purchase is who they say they are? I am just genuinely curious.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
Around what? The fact that the term "identity theft" is nonsensical? There is no way around that, it just is. As for fraud: There probably is no easy way around it. But that doesn't mean it's not fraud.
- jdironman 9y ago
  I was not saying either really. I was asking what sure fire way we have other than a number / name for identity.
  - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
    Well, there is biometry, with the simplest form being a picture, if you want to somewhat reliably identify people.
    - pixl97 9y ago
      Out of 7 billion people, a fair number of them look like you. I'd hate to have an ass for a twin in your world.
    - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
      While I thoroughly agree with everything you've said on the subject thus far... How does being in possession of a picture, or any other biometric data, help? These data are reproducible, like any other attribute that supposedly identifies only-Alice.
      - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
        Checking the possession of a picture is not biometry (that would be possession-of-a-picture-metry). Making a picture is biometry (measuring the body, essentially). The hard problem with biometry is proving to a third party that a certain identity is responsible for a contract, but identification with biometry (convincing yourself that the person before you is the same person that you enrolled earlier) at least works a lot better than asking for essentially public information.
sowbug 9y ago
No. It's to accept liability when you make a mistake. If a criminal tricks a bank into giving away money and debiting some random account, the victim is the bank, not whoever happened to own the account.

zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago

Around what? The fact that the term "identity theft" is nonsensical? There is no way around that, it just is. As for fraud: There probably is no easy way around it. But that doesn't mean it's not fraud.

jdironman 9y ago
I was not saying either really. I was asking what sure fire way we have other than a number / name for identity.
- zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
  Well, there is biometry, with the simplest form being a picture, if you want to somewhat reliably identify people.
  - pixl97 9y ago
    Out of 7 billion people, a fair number of them look like you. I'd hate to have an ass for a twin in your world.
  - TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
    While I thoroughly agree with everything you've said on the subject thus far... How does being in possession of a picture, or any other biometric data, help? These data are reproducible, like any other attribute that supposedly identifies only-Alice.
    - zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC 9y ago
      Checking the possession of a picture is not biometry (that would be possession-of-a-picture-metry). Making a picture is biometry (measuring the body, essentially). The hard problem with biometry is proving to a third party that a certain identity is responsible for a contract, but identification with biometry (convincing yourself that the person before you is the same person that you enrolled earlier) at least works a lot better than asking for essentially public information.

sowbug 9y ago

No. It's to accept liability when you make a mistake. If a criminal tricks a bank into giving away money and debiting some random account, the victim is the bank, not whoever happened to own the account.