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> people don't buy bitcoin for its use in transactions I'd beg to differ.. sure there is definitely a percentage of HODL'ers but to say people don't use it in

> people don't buy bitcoin for its use in transactions I'd beg to differ.. sure there is definitely a percentage of HODL'ers but to say people don't use it in transactions is straight up lunacy. https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/charts/trade-volume?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/charts/trade-volume?timespan=all

soneca 9y ago
Well, don't these charts only reflect new people buying Bitcoin (as an investment)? https://blockchain.info/pt/charts/n-unique-addresses?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/pt/charts/n-unique-addresses?timespa...
- clarkmoody 9y ago
  You could probably look at the distribution of transaction sizes to try and determine how much is investment vs commerce. A bunch of $1-10 transactions are less likely to be speculators getting into a position.
JumpCrisscross 9y ago
Those data don't differentiate bitcoins bought for investment and for trading.
- mrb 9y ago
  It does, because investors typically do not transact in Bitcoin. Buying and leaving BTC in an exchange wallet does not create a transaction on the blockchain.
pmorici 9y ago
The high transaction fees recently are pushing out a lot of the traditional use cases for Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash appears to be in a position to inherit those use cases.
- rj123 9y ago
  That's unlikely. Bitcoin cash isn't accepted anywhere yet, and unlike Bitcoin it does not have Segwit, and thus no layer2/lightning network support. It's 8MB blocks only up the on-chain scaling from like 3 tx/sec to ~20tx/sec. That's a negligible difference when compared to credit cards, paypal, etc. Bitcoin will only ever reach that kind of capacity with 2nd layer lightning network, or something like it.
  - dajohnson89 9y ago
    When will btc adopt lightning?
    - rj123 9y ago
      Segwit was just activated on Bitcoin around two weeks ago. Among other things, segwit includes a fix for txn malleability needed to facilitate a lightning network implementation on bitcoin. The lightning network alpha release has been implemented on Litecoin, and has been on the Bitcoin testnet since the beginning of the year. My guess is it will go live before the end of the year, and adoption will ramp up next year.

soneca 9y ago

Well, don't these charts only reflect new people buying Bitcoin (as an investment)? https://blockchain.info/pt/charts/n-unique-addresses?timespan=all https://blockchain.info/pt/charts/n-unique-addresses?timespa...

clarkmoody 9y ago
You could probably look at the distribution of transaction sizes to try and determine how much is investment vs commerce. A bunch of $1-10 transactions are less likely to be speculators getting into a position.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago

Those data don't differentiate bitcoins bought for investment and for trading.

mrb 9y ago
It does, because investors typically do not transact in Bitcoin. Buying and leaving BTC in an exchange wallet does not create a transaction on the blockchain.

pmorici 9y ago

The high transaction fees recently are pushing out a lot of the traditional use cases for Bitcoin. Bitcoin Cash appears to be in a position to inherit those use cases.

rj123 9y ago
That's unlikely. Bitcoin cash isn't accepted anywhere yet, and unlike Bitcoin it does not have Segwit, and thus no layer2/lightning network support. It's 8MB blocks only up the on-chain scaling from like 3 tx/sec to ~20tx/sec. That's a negligible difference when compared to credit cards, paypal, etc. Bitcoin will only ever reach that kind of capacity with 2nd layer lightning network, or something like it.
- dajohnson89 9y ago
  When will btc adopt lightning?
  - rj123 9y ago
    Segwit was just activated on Bitcoin around two weeks ago. Among other things, segwit includes a fix for txn malleability needed to facilitate a lightning network implementation on bitcoin. The lightning network alpha release has been implemented on Litecoin, and has been on the Bitcoin testnet since the beginning of the year. My guess is it will go live before the end of the year, and adoption will ramp up next year.