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From listening to Jordan Peterson talk about psych, he says if men get unemployed, they're going to develop depression and chronic pain(and he says the two are

From listening to Jordan Peterson talk about psych, he says if men get unemployed, they're going to develop depression and chronic pain(and he says the two are almost one in the same), and then turn to opioids, especially if they're conscientious.

cryoshon 9y ago
it's no secret why this is the case. when society rejects you, it hurts at a tribal and physical level..
timsayshey 9y ago
I've noticed Jordan Peterson getting mentioned a lot around here lately. Do you have a link to his lecture on this topic?
- drdeadringer 9y ago
  Not the video, but found the quote: "Partly what you need to do is decide what your highest value is. It's the star. What are you aiming for? You can decide. But there are some criteria. It should be good for you in a way that facilitates your moving forward. Maybe it should be good for you in a way that's also good for your family, as well as for the larger community. It should cover the domain of life. There's constraints on what you should regard as a value, but within those constraints you have the choice. You have choice. The thing is that people will carry a heavy load if they get to pick the load. And they think, 'well, I won't carry any load.' Ok, fine, but then you'll be like the sled dog that has nothing to pull. You'll get bored. People are pack animals. They need to pull against a wait. And that's not true for everyone. It's not true for conscientious people. For the typical person, they'll eat themselves up unless they have a load. This is why there's such an opiate epidemic among so many dispossessed white, middle aged, unemployed men in the U.S. They lose their job, and then they're done. They despise themselves. They develop chronic pain syndromes and depression. And the chronic pain is treated with opiates. That's what we're doing. And you should watch when you talk to young men about responsibility. They're so thrilled about it. It just blows me away. Really?! That's what the counter-culture is? Grow up and do something useful. Really? I can do that? Oh, I'm so excited by that idea. No one ever mentioned that before. Rights, rights, rights, rights. Jesus. It's appalling. People have had enough of that. And they better have, because it's a non-productive mode of being. Responsibility, man. That's where the meaning in life is." --Jordan B Peterson
  - geofft 9y ago
    This seems like something I'd hear from a mediocre pastor, not from an academic.
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- danschumann 9y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6afA_pypxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6afA_pypxM He breaks down intelligence, talks about a bunch of interesting topics, then near the end talks about what IQ level can do what kind of job, and at the very end, he touches on what happens to people who are unemployed, but in fairness, he doesn't go in depth on that subject in this video. If I come across a video where he goes into it more, I'll post it here.
  - geofft 9y ago
    I really wish that he would post his arguments in the form of text instead of video - it's easy for someone with good charisma to just speak in a convincing way and not give his listeners time to go back and think deeply about his claims, look up citations, etc.
bjl 9y ago
Take everything Jordan Peterson says with a massive mound of salt. He has a long history of spouting off controversial opinions on topics without much (if any) evidence backing those opinions.
- timsayshey 9y ago
  I'm on the fence about him myself but do you not see the irony in your comment?
  - bjl 9y ago
    No, because the idea that JP is a hack is not a controversial opinion among academics.
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- vogt 9y ago
  Which part of people becoming depressed and/or turning to opioid addiction (or both) after becoming unemployed is controversial?
  - dmix 9y ago
    Jordan Peterson has become a very politicized figure in a very homogenous political environment (academia) which seems to be the primary source of controversy. So I wouldn't expect to find many clear answers down this path.
pizza 9y ago
If you (perceive to) lose control over one aspect of your life, it's normal to try to regain control over another aspect of your life. What he might call an automatic depression would just as well be explained as the person struggling to overcome their internal guilt of not being able to clearly locate their life's contributions in an endeavor. Then it becomes difficult to know if you're just floating, or swimming against a current.

cryoshon 9y ago

it's no secret why this is the case. when society rejects you, it hurts at a tribal and physical level..

timsayshey 9y ago

I've noticed Jordan Peterson getting mentioned a lot around here lately. Do you have a link to his lecture on this topic?

drdeadringer 9y ago
Not the video, but found the quote: "Partly what you need to do is decide what your highest value is. It's the star. What are you aiming for? You can decide. But there are some criteria. It should be good for you in a way that facilitates your moving forward. Maybe it should be good for you in a way that's also good for your family, as well as for the larger community. It should cover the domain of life. There's constraints on what you should regard as a value, but within those constraints you have the choice. You have choice. The thing is that people will carry a heavy load if they get to pick the load. And they think, 'well, I won't carry any load.' Ok, fine, but then you'll be like the sled dog that has nothing to pull. You'll get bored. People are pack animals. They need to pull against a wait. And that's not true for everyone. It's not true for conscientious people. For the typical person, they'll eat themselves up unless they have a load. This is why there's such an opiate epidemic among so many dispossessed white, middle aged, unemployed men in the U.S. They lose their job, and then they're done. They despise themselves. They develop chronic pain syndromes and depression. And the chronic pain is treated with opiates. That's what we're doing. And you should watch when you talk to young men about responsibility. They're so thrilled about it. It just blows me away. Really?! That's what the counter-culture is? Grow up and do something useful. Really? I can do that? Oh, I'm so excited by that idea. No one ever mentioned that before. Rights, rights, rights, rights. Jesus. It's appalling. People have had enough of that. And they better have, because it's a non-productive mode of being. Responsibility, man. That's where the meaning in life is." --Jordan B Peterson
- geofft 9y ago
  This seems like something I'd hear from a mediocre pastor, not from an academic.
- deleted 9y ago
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danschumann 9y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6afA_pypxM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6afA_pypxM He breaks down intelligence, talks about a bunch of interesting topics, then near the end talks about what IQ level can do what kind of job, and at the very end, he touches on what happens to people who are unemployed, but in fairness, he doesn't go in depth on that subject in this video. If I come across a video where he goes into it more, I'll post it here.
- geofft 9y ago
  I really wish that he would post his arguments in the form of text instead of video - it's easy for someone with good charisma to just speak in a convincing way and not give his listeners time to go back and think deeply about his claims, look up citations, etc.

bjl 9y ago

Take everything Jordan Peterson says with a massive mound of salt. He has a long history of spouting off controversial opinions on topics without much (if any) evidence backing those opinions.

timsayshey 9y ago
I'm on the fence about him myself but do you not see the irony in your comment?
- bjl 9y ago
  No, because the idea that JP is a hack is not a controversial opinion among academics.
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vogt 9y ago
Which part of people becoming depressed and/or turning to opioid addiction (or both) after becoming unemployed is controversial?
- dmix 9y ago
  Jordan Peterson has become a very politicized figure in a very homogenous political environment (academia) which seems to be the primary source of controversy. So I wouldn't expect to find many clear answers down this path.

pizza 9y ago

If you (perceive to) lose control over one aspect of your life, it's normal to try to regain control over another aspect of your life. What he might call an automatic depression would just as well be explained as the person struggling to overcome their internal guilt of not being able to clearly locate their life's contributions in an endeavor. Then it becomes difficult to know if you're just floating, or swimming against a current.