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What is your definition of violence? You'll have to explain how voluntarily buying water and then selling it to a willing buyer is violent.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
I'm not defining violence, I'm not even posing an answer to the question. I'm suggesting that you go ask some survivors what they think. I'm sure there are a few hard Mises-lovers who may agree with you but I think the vast, vast majority is going to disagree with you. Maybe you can tell them that government is violence and that all liberty is economic liberty and that $100 water during a disaster is proof that they live in a free society and maybe you can record it because I'd really like to see the responses.
- sbenitoj 9y ago
  Well, FWIW, I live in Houston, just endured Harvey, my car was totaled and part of my house was flooded -- still luckier than many people no doubt -- but even after having gone through this disaster, I STILL believe that coercion is wrong. I'm not against private charity, or communities voluntarily coming together to prepare for the next disaster, but that doesn't justify using coercion.
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    Alright, well I'm sorry about your property but I'm still gonna ask you to go to those bad areas and ask them which is more violent, price-gouged water or government assistance.
- sbenitoj 9y ago
  It won't let me respond to your comment below ("Alright, well I'm sorry about your property but I'm still gonna ask you to go to those bad areas and ask them which is more violent, price-gouged water or government assistance.") so I'm doing it here. Again I ask you to define the term violence. Because you're saying violence, but I don't see what is violent about charging a high price for something, so that's why I'm asking you to define violence, otherwise how can anyone have a reasonable debate about what's actually occurring?
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    I'm not having a debate with you. I'm urging you to pack up this debate you obviously want to have, take it off the internet and out into the real word and to have it with affected people. People who have paid gougers during natural disasters. Go talk to them, tell them what you believe, have a dialogue with them. I don't really believe people change their minds on the internet, it's too easy to escape the cognitive dissonance. Which is why I question if you have the courage to stand in front of someone who has lost everything, someone who almost surely will disagree with you, and explain why the government shouldn't supply water in disasters. Seriously, go do it.
    - sbenitoj 9y ago
      Wow.
      - threatofrain 9y ago
        I know, your courage is being questioned!
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frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago

I'm not defining violence, I'm not even posing an answer to the question. I'm suggesting that you go ask some survivors what they think. I'm sure there are a few hard Mises-lovers who may agree with you but I think the vast, vast majority is going to disagree with you. Maybe you can tell them that government is violence and that all liberty is economic liberty and that $100 water during a disaster is proof that they live in a free society and maybe you can record it because I'd really like to see the responses.

sbenitoj 9y ago
Well, FWIW, I live in Houston, just endured Harvey, my car was totaled and part of my house was flooded -- still luckier than many people no doubt -- but even after having gone through this disaster, I STILL believe that coercion is wrong. I'm not against private charity, or communities voluntarily coming together to prepare for the next disaster, but that doesn't justify using coercion.
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  Alright, well I'm sorry about your property but I'm still gonna ask you to go to those bad areas and ask them which is more violent, price-gouged water or government assistance.
sbenitoj 9y ago
It won't let me respond to your comment below ("Alright, well I'm sorry about your property but I'm still gonna ask you to go to those bad areas and ask them which is more violent, price-gouged water or government assistance.") so I'm doing it here. Again I ask you to define the term violence. Because you're saying violence, but I don't see what is violent about charging a high price for something, so that's why I'm asking you to define violence, otherwise how can anyone have a reasonable debate about what's actually occurring?
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  I'm not having a debate with you. I'm urging you to pack up this debate you obviously want to have, take it off the internet and out into the real word and to have it with affected people. People who have paid gougers during natural disasters. Go talk to them, tell them what you believe, have a dialogue with them. I don't really believe people change their minds on the internet, it's too easy to escape the cognitive dissonance. Which is why I question if you have the courage to stand in front of someone who has lost everything, someone who almost surely will disagree with you, and explain why the government shouldn't supply water in disasters. Seriously, go do it.
  - sbenitoj 9y ago
    Wow.
    - threatofrain 9y ago
      I know, your courage is being questioned!
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