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"There was inexplicably a lot of extra room in the lower left hand corner, right where I wanted to put the headphone jack." Funny... I thought they removed it

"There was inexplicably a lot of extra room in the lower left hand corner, right where I wanted to put the headphone jack." Funny... I thought they removed it to save space. Apparently they needed space for that void?

idlewords 9y ago
Tbis reminds me of the long-ago G4 cube, which had an oval power supply shaped exactly like the oval void in the middle of the cube.
- nipplesurvey 9y ago
  was probably removed due to thermal concerns, the G4 cube didn't have any fans if i recall correctly.
drzaiusapelord 9y ago
This is what infuriates me about the whole cargo cult mentality of "design" Apple subscribes to. Its dishonest bait so low information consumers don't question anti-consumer monetization moves. There's a lot of money in headphones and taking over the headphone market via airpods or the mfi chip sales required for iphone lightning to work with minijacks is a ripe market for Apple. Yet, we're being sold on a whole false narrative of "Oh there's no room, sorry." I think we're going to look back to the dawn of smartphones as being particularly anti-consumer, anti-privacy, and typified by corporate dishonesty. edit: I see the narrative is "but, but the iphone 8 will be too thin for it, trust me." Then there's no reason to do it now other than crass monetization at the cost of the consumer already invested in wired headphones and being forced to do a pricey upgrade. Not to mention, simply migrating to a thinner analog audio plug like the standard 2.5mm connector which is merely 2mm thick and can use a minijack to 2.5mm adapter can be gotten anywhere and cheaply. That would be a trivial change and allow Apple to make a very thing phone. Instead excepting a DAC on every headphone or having a DAC adapter is clearly a monetization scheme.
- hungerstrike 9y ago
  > I think we're going to look back to the dawn of smartphones as being particularly anti-consumer, anti-privacy, and typified by corporate dishonesty. Apple has been a dishonest, anti-consumer, cargo cult designer since the beginning of personal computing and I can't wait until their time is over. Just one example: The single button mouse. For the longest time the party line was "it's better for reasons", but everybody knew it wasn't which is why the first thing anybody purchased after buying a new Mac was a multi-button mouse. You didn't even have that choice with their laptops unfortunately. Internally, Apple's reasoning for keeping it was that it differentiated them from PCs and they didn't want to appear to be stealing from PC designs.
dkonofalski 9y ago
Or, you know, the components that he removed in order to put that jack in... Seriously... he shows the pieces he had to remove in order to get this working and he compromised the water-proofing of the phone. How is that, in any way, an equivalence to "void" or "empty space"?
- Neeek 9y ago
  It was a piece of plastic... You really believe that much teeth pulling surrounding the removal of a jack was the rational alternative to a less accurate altimeter?
  - dkonofalski 9y ago
    No. They clearly had reasons to remove the headphone jack. I'm only addressing the mistaken assumption that there was just "extra" space left in the phone. If you're removing the altimeter/barometer conduit, you're essentially removing the capability for the altimeter/barometer to remove air and balance pressure. Since the original phone was waterproof, this was a necessary piece. The "new phone" no longer has a working altimeter, is not waterproof, and has major structural issues now. Anyone saying that there was just extra space there is being ignorant of the facts shown or is being intentionally disingenuous for some reason.

idlewords 9y ago

Tbis reminds me of the long-ago G4 cube, which had an oval power supply shaped exactly like the oval void in the middle of the cube.

nipplesurvey 9y ago
was probably removed due to thermal concerns, the G4 cube didn't have any fans if i recall correctly.

drzaiusapelord 9y ago

This is what infuriates me about the whole cargo cult mentality of "design" Apple subscribes to. Its dishonest bait so low information consumers don't question anti-consumer monetization moves. There's a lot of money in headphones and taking over the headphone market via airpods or the mfi chip sales required for iphone lightning to work with minijacks is a ripe market for Apple. Yet, we're being sold on a whole false narrative of "Oh there's no room, sorry." I think we're going to look back to the dawn of smartphones as being particularly anti-consumer, anti-privacy, and typified by corporate dishonesty. edit: I see the narrative is "but, but the iphone 8 will be too thin for it, trust me." Then there's no reason to do it now other than crass monetization at the cost of the consumer already invested in wired headphones and being forced to do a pricey upgrade. Not to mention, simply migrating to a thinner analog audio plug like the standard 2.5mm connector which is merely 2mm thick and can use a minijack to 2.5mm adapter can be gotten anywhere and cheaply. That would be a trivial change and allow Apple to make a very thing phone. Instead excepting a DAC on every headphone or having a DAC adapter is clearly a monetization scheme.

hungerstrike 9y ago
> I think we're going to look back to the dawn of smartphones as being particularly anti-consumer, anti-privacy, and typified by corporate dishonesty. Apple has been a dishonest, anti-consumer, cargo cult designer since the beginning of personal computing and I can't wait until their time is over. Just one example: The single button mouse. For the longest time the party line was "it's better for reasons", but everybody knew it wasn't which is why the first thing anybody purchased after buying a new Mac was a multi-button mouse. You didn't even have that choice with their laptops unfortunately. Internally, Apple's reasoning for keeping it was that it differentiated them from PCs and they didn't want to appear to be stealing from PC designs.

dkonofalski 9y ago

Or, you know, the components that he removed in order to put that jack in... Seriously... he shows the pieces he had to remove in order to get this working and he compromised the water-proofing of the phone. How is that, in any way, an equivalence to "void" or "empty space"?

Neeek 9y ago
It was a piece of plastic... You really believe that much teeth pulling surrounding the removal of a jack was the rational alternative to a less accurate altimeter?
- dkonofalski 9y ago
  No. They clearly had reasons to remove the headphone jack. I'm only addressing the mistaken assumption that there was just "extra" space left in the phone. If you're removing the altimeter/barometer conduit, you're essentially removing the capability for the altimeter/barometer to remove air and balance pressure. Since the original phone was waterproof, this was a necessary piece. The "new phone" no longer has a working altimeter, is not waterproof, and has major structural issues now. Anyone saying that there was just extra space there is being ignorant of the facts shown or is being intentionally disingenuous for some reason.