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> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no rea

by vesak 9y ago

> Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort.

the_watcher 9y ago
Can't resist referring to the relevant xkcd here: https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
- notheguyouthink 9y ago
  In all fairness, only one of the (here) spoken applications are actually open, and able to even remotely be referred to as a competing standard. That comic would be more applicable if we were all debating XMPP vs Matrix.
edgan 9y ago
I tried Matrix. For me it clearly lost on usability.
- Arathorn 9y ago
  We're working on that :)
- zanny 9y ago
  Matrix is a protocol. You can implement it with any client you want with any usability profile you want it to have. Unless you mean the protocol itself is flawed?
athenot 9y ago
I like the decentralized aspect of Matrix. But when I go to the home page, I'm greeted with this copy: Matrix needs you! We are facing a funding crisis. UPDATE: The situation has changed and our need is more urgent even than before. This doesn't send a very positive signal to larger companies considering this platform.
- briandear 9y ago
  And when their selling point is about "open communication" being a human right. A bit over the top. Then all this crypto currency nonsense. If I showed this page to a manager at a company, they'd immediately be turned off by that. Why not just drop a stripe checkout form onto the page with "Donate?"
  - Arathorn 9y ago
    1. The signal we're sending to big companies is that they may want to consider supporting us if they think Matrix is a good thing. So far it seems to be headed in the right direction. 2. We're offering donations by patreon, liberapay, IBAN(!), bitcoin & ethereum. I'm a bit confused as to why letting folks donate by bitcoin or ethereum would be a turn-off for a manager at a company. If you really think that adding Stripe to the mix would help things we can do that; we've just added paypal too. Basically, it's a catch 22. We need to advertise that we need funding in order to get people to fund us. If that turns off some people rather than encourages them to donate, then such is life :/
madeofpalk 9y ago
A horrible duplication of effort vs waste of time getting competing organisations to agree on standards.
hdhzy 9y ago
> I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort. That's exactly what any other protocol evangelist would say, be it IRC, XMPP...

by vesak 9y ago

the_watcher 9y ago

Can't resist referring to the relevant xkcd here: https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/

notheguyouthink 9y ago
In all fairness, only one of the (here) spoken applications are actually open, and able to even remotely be referred to as a competing standard. That comic would be more applicable if we were all debating XMPP vs Matrix.

edgan 9y ago

I tried Matrix. For me it clearly lost on usability.

Arathorn 9y ago
We're working on that :)
zanny 9y ago
Matrix is a protocol. You can implement it with any client you want with any usability profile you want it to have. Unless you mean the protocol itself is flawed?

athenot 9y ago

I like the decentralized aspect of Matrix. But when I go to the home page, I'm greeted with this copy: Matrix needs you! We are facing a funding crisis. UPDATE: The situation has changed and our need is more urgent even than before. This doesn't send a very positive signal to larger companies considering this platform.

briandear 9y ago
And when their selling point is about "open communication" being a human right. A bit over the top. Then all this crypto currency nonsense. If I showed this page to a manager at a company, they'd immediately be turned off by that. Why not just drop a stripe checkout form onto the page with "Donate?"
- Arathorn 9y ago
  1. The signal we're sending to big companies is that they may want to consider supporting us if they think Matrix is a good thing. So far it seems to be headed in the right direction. 2. We're offering donations by patreon, liberapay, IBAN(!), bitcoin & ethereum. I'm a bit confused as to why letting folks donate by bitcoin or ethereum would be a turn-off for a manager at a company. If you really think that adding Stripe to the mix would help things we can do that; we've just added paypal too. Basically, it's a catch 22. We need to advertise that we need funding in order to get people to fund us. If that turns off some people rather than encourages them to donate, then such is life :/

madeofpalk 9y ago

A horrible duplication of effort vs waste of time getting competing organisations to agree on standards.

hdhzy 9y ago

> I'm looking forward to Matrix eating all of their lunches. There absolutely no reason to have competing standards in this space. A horrible duplication of effort. That's exactly what any other protocol evangelist would say, be it IRC, XMPP...