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>"The researchers say this isn’t the case because people who are into environmental issues are not more likely to indulge in other drugs, whether it's tobacco,

>"The researchers say this isn’t the case because people who are into environmental issues are not more likely to indulge in other drugs, whether it's tobacco, marijuana, alcohol, or recreational illegal substances." Ok, but it still could be the case that people who are into environmental issues are just more likely to be into LSD. Actually, from my own personal experience this makes sense. People I've known who prefer hallucinogenic drugs like LSD and shrooms tend to fit into the 'hippy' personality type, which seems to exist antecedent to their drug use and is accentuated by it rather than being caused by it. Again, just personal experience here, but people who really like hallucinogens tend to be 'seekers' who are disillusioned with the human world and so idealize nature. Other drug users who dislike hallucinogens and instead prefer drugs like cocaine, heroin and MDMA are less hippies and more partiers who like drugs because they make them feel good rather than giving them access to some spiritual connection with the world, or any other hippy trope. So that this study claims "people who are into environmental issues are not more likely to indulge in other drugs" doesn't surprise me.

yorwba 9y ago
The paper rejects the hypothesis that this is the full explanation: Lastly, as the relationship we found remained significant after controlling for demographic variables and personality traits such as openness to experience, conscientiousness, or political attitudes, it is unlikely that the association we found can be entirely explained by a collection of personality traits stereotypically associated with psychedelic users (e.g. being of the “hippie” type).
- meri_dian 9y ago
  Interesting results, but they may not be testing for the right personality traits.
  - criley2 9y ago
    >Interesting results, but they may not be testing for the right personality traits. As with any scientific reporting, the probability that they're not testing for the right thing is inherent in their experimental design and analysis. As they state, it's very unlikely that error led to this case. Generally, your results must reach a certain probabilistic rigor (95% chance the listed results are due to the listed reasons), so that there is a 5% or less chance that the effects being observed are due to design failure or similar issues.
icanhackit 9y ago
> Other drug users who dislike hallucinogens and instead prefer drugs like cocaine, heroin and MDMA are less hippies and more partiers who like drugs because they make them feel good rather than giving them access to some spiritual connection with the world As someone more on the hippy side I'd say be careful simply lumping MDMA in with party drugs. It's certainly used by partiers but it's a drug that adapts your mood to the environment and therefore, in a quiet and controlled environment, has very deep uses for introspection, advanced thought and instead of seeing things as you would when taking a trip, you feel like your body is in another place while your state of mind remains relatively lucid. It's a trip for the body and laser for the mind and would be one of the most important tools I've used for dealing with a violent past (as in being on the receiving end). Lumping it in with cocaine, which in my (not so humble) opinion is the drug of choice for narcissists, seems unfair.
- meri_dian 9y ago
  I was actually hesitant to group MDMA and cocaine together. While on MDMA I've always felt a deep emotional connection to people, one that has a hallucinogenic feel to it, while on cocaine I just feel really powerful and up which is awesome but not at all hallucinogenic or spiritual. But people still largely take MDMA to party which is why I decided to put it with cocaine.

yorwba 9y ago

The paper rejects the hypothesis that this is the full explanation: Lastly, as the relationship we found remained significant after controlling for demographic variables and personality traits such as openness to experience, conscientiousness, or political attitudes, it is unlikely that the association we found can be entirely explained by a collection of personality traits stereotypically associated with psychedelic users (e.g. being of the “hippie” type).

meri_dian 9y ago
Interesting results, but they may not be testing for the right personality traits.
- criley2 9y ago
  >Interesting results, but they may not be testing for the right personality traits. As with any scientific reporting, the probability that they're not testing for the right thing is inherent in their experimental design and analysis. As they state, it's very unlikely that error led to this case. Generally, your results must reach a certain probabilistic rigor (95% chance the listed results are due to the listed reasons), so that there is a 5% or less chance that the effects being observed are due to design failure or similar issues.

icanhackit 9y ago

> Other drug users who dislike hallucinogens and instead prefer drugs like cocaine, heroin and MDMA are less hippies and more partiers who like drugs because they make them feel good rather than giving them access to some spiritual connection with the world As someone more on the hippy side I'd say be careful simply lumping MDMA in with party drugs. It's certainly used by partiers but it's a drug that adapts your mood to the environment and therefore, in a quiet and controlled environment, has very deep uses for introspection, advanced thought and instead of seeing things as you would when taking a trip, you feel like your body is in another place while your state of mind remains relatively lucid. It's a trip for the body and laser for the mind and would be one of the most important tools I've used for dealing with a violent past (as in being on the receiving end). Lumping it in with cocaine, which in my (not so humble) opinion is the drug of choice for narcissists, seems unfair.

meri_dian 9y ago
I was actually hesitant to group MDMA and cocaine together. While on MDMA I've always felt a deep emotional connection to people, one that has a hallucinogenic feel to it, while on cocaine I just feel really powerful and up which is awesome but not at all hallucinogenic or spiritual. But people still largely take MDMA to party which is why I decided to put it with cocaine.