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Is it? Usually we insist on people providing evidence to support controversial claims.

by rusk 9y ago

rusk 9y ago
This article [0] appears to support your hypothesis but there's enough discussion in the comments that suggests their results can't be taken as conclusive. I've read the original Gazelle article [1] too, and their methods are far from being clear or rigorous. I'd need to see more replication before I'd consider this "myth" debunked. [0] https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/how-to/myth-debunked-uncooked-rice-isnt-best-way-save-your-water-damaged-phone-0154799/ https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/how-to/myth-debunked-unc... [1] https://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2014/05/06/gazelles-guide-water-damage-truth-rice-galaxy-everything/?utm_campaign=314743&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=SAS https://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2014/05/06/gazelles-guide-wa...
ss248 9y ago
You think "rice usage" is not a controversial claim in the first place? You are trying to create "negative humidity" with rice. Are you serious right now? EDIT: Watch this rant from a guy who works in the repair shop. No need to watch the whole video, you can see the "results" of the rice "cleaning" in the first couple of minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPeITOz2_YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPeITOz2_YM
- rusk 9y ago
  it's called a dessicant. and it's not controversial if everybody agrees it works. you are in the minority here and you must support your position with facts. EDIT In fairness, I think in the last year we've moved beyond accepting a ranting guy on youtube as evidence. I've actually seen this guy and he's great on many topics. I can see, and appreciate where he's coming from but I don't think it disproves anything. Possible conflict of interest that should be declared is this guys fixes devices for a living and charges for the service.
  - ss248 9y ago
    It's a common sense to me, but if you want, we can do the math. Should be pretty easy to calculate humidity and rice desiccant properties to end this joke once and for all. Logically, it should be better to let phone dry in open even, instead of creating closed space in the bag of rice. You can watch the video muted btw. PCB condition shows clearly the level of corrosion from just a little bit of moisture.
    - cheeko1234 9y ago
      "If rice is placed in a sealed container, the air in the container will gain or lose moisture until it attains an equilibrium relative humidity (ERH) corresponding to the rice moisture and temperature." Source: http://www.kcomfg.com/_docs/pdfs/principles_of_rice_drying.pdf http://www.kcomfg.com/_docs/pdfs/principles_of_rice_drying.p...
    - rusk 9y ago
      Mate, if you could do the math for me there, that'd be great.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    >and it's not controversial if everybody agrees it works. Well, people agree in all kinds of crap like homeopathy. Many (most?) agreeing doesn't make something "scientific". Proof does. And it's those proposing a mechanism that must bring that proof.
    - rusk 9y ago
      Did you just cite homeopathy? Did this just happen. Did you just strawman me?
      - dkonofalski 9y ago
        No... you were the one that was using "everybody agrees it works" as the support of your position. He's offering an analogy that, rightly so, makes your position completely unsupported. If you're willing to say that homeopathy is crap despite the volume of people that support it, then you have to admit the same about your own argument. Provide evidence or support, not appeals to the masses.
coldtea 9y ago
In what way is the idea that using "uncooked rice" to restore wet electronics the normal one, and challenging it is the "controversial claim"?
- rusk 9y ago
  In that it's well established practice and I have a list of people who says it does. Versus a couple of internet grouches and a few guys selling device repair services that say it doesn't. To me, the science sounds plausible. Power it down, dry it up, introduce a desiccant to mop up what atmospheric moisture there is. Rice may not be the "best" desiccant available but it's commonly available and easily understood by most people. I'd appreciate it if you and your friend could demonstrate that this is false rather than throwing around snarky rhetoric.

Is it? Usually we insist on people providing evidence to support controversial claims.

by rusk 9y ago

Is it? Usually we insist on people providing evidence to support controversial claims.

rusk 9y ago

This article [0] appears to support your hypothesis but there's enough discussion in the comments that suggests their results can't be taken as conclusive. I've read the original Gazelle article [1] too, and their methods are far from being clear or rigorous. I'd need to see more replication before I'd consider this "myth" debunked. [0] https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/how-to/myth-debunked-uncooked-rice-isnt-best-way-save-your-water-damaged-phone-0154799/ https://smartphones.gadgethacks.com/how-to/myth-debunked-unc... [1] https://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2014/05/06/gazelles-guide-water-damage-truth-rice-galaxy-everything/?utm_campaign=314743&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_source=SAS https://www.gazelle.com/thehorn/2014/05/06/gazelles-guide-wa...

ss248 9y ago

You think "rice usage" is not a controversial claim in the first place? You are trying to create "negative humidity" with rice. Are you serious right now? EDIT: Watch this rant from a guy who works in the repair shop. No need to watch the whole video, you can see the "results" of the rice "cleaning" in the first couple of minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPeITOz2_YM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPeITOz2_YM

rusk 9y ago
it's called a dessicant. and it's not controversial if everybody agrees it works. you are in the minority here and you must support your position with facts. EDIT In fairness, I think in the last year we've moved beyond accepting a ranting guy on youtube as evidence. I've actually seen this guy and he's great on many topics. I can see, and appreciate where he's coming from but I don't think it disproves anything. Possible conflict of interest that should be declared is this guys fixes devices for a living and charges for the service.
- ss248 9y ago
  It's a common sense to me, but if you want, we can do the math. Should be pretty easy to calculate humidity and rice desiccant properties to end this joke once and for all. Logically, it should be better to let phone dry in open even, instead of creating closed space in the bag of rice. You can watch the video muted btw. PCB condition shows clearly the level of corrosion from just a little bit of moisture.
  - cheeko1234 9y ago
    "If rice is placed in a sealed container, the air in the container will gain or lose moisture until it attains an equilibrium relative humidity (ERH) corresponding to the rice moisture and temperature." Source: http://www.kcomfg.com/_docs/pdfs/principles_of_rice_drying.pdf http://www.kcomfg.com/_docs/pdfs/principles_of_rice_drying.p...
  - rusk 9y ago
    Mate, if you could do the math for me there, that'd be great.
- coldtea 9y ago
  >and it's not controversial if everybody agrees it works. Well, people agree in all kinds of crap like homeopathy. Many (most?) agreeing doesn't make something "scientific". Proof does. And it's those proposing a mechanism that must bring that proof.
  - rusk 9y ago
    Did you just cite homeopathy? Did this just happen. Did you just strawman me?
    - dkonofalski 9y ago
      No... you were the one that was using "everybody agrees it works" as the support of your position. He's offering an analogy that, rightly so, makes your position completely unsupported. If you're willing to say that homeopathy is crap despite the volume of people that support it, then you have to admit the same about your own argument. Provide evidence or support, not appeals to the masses.

coldtea 9y ago

In what way is the idea that using "uncooked rice" to restore wet electronics the normal one, and challenging it is the "controversial claim"?

rusk 9y ago
In that it's well established practice and I have a list of people who says it does. Versus a couple of internet grouches and a few guys selling device repair services that say it doesn't. To me, the science sounds plausible. Power it down, dry it up, introduce a desiccant to mop up what atmospheric moisture there is. Rice may not be the "best" desiccant available but it's commonly available and easily understood by most people. I'd appreciate it if you and your friend could demonstrate that this is false rather than throwing around snarky rhetoric.