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> Power also flows from the barrel of a gun. Warmaking is not as profitable as it used to be. And its only decreasing. What has China to gain from invaded HK ?

> Power also flows from the barrel of a gun. Warmaking is not as profitable as it used to be. And its only decreasing. What has China to gain from invaded HK ? Problem solvers will just move to another region. If its aggressors vs problem solvers, later does not need former at all. To defend PS dont need gun, embargo will work just fine.

hitekker 9y ago
A few years ago, I vaguely recall english-speaking redditors living in East Ukraine ridiculing the prospect of Russia, a friendly neighbor, ever laying a hand on their country. They don't post anymore.
- wav-part 9y ago
  Thats why no private city-state will be created near natural resource. It will be extremely stupid.
  - eponeponepon 9y ago
    And two city-states competing for the same natural resource will share it with each other in enlightened cooperation? No, that isn't how the primate territorial instinct works.
    - wav-part 9y ago
      Assuming we are talking about city-states of problem solvers. Than they will neither compete nor cooperate. They will just pay the market value for a barrel of oil. Instead, the fierce and low-margin/high-risk compitition actually exist between aggressors 1. for the control of same region (eg Saudi Arabia) and, 2. providing same product (eg crude oil).
- cakedoggie 9y ago
  What do you imagine that proves?
Hasknewbie 9y ago
> What has China to gain from invaded HK ? Handling "the barrel of a gun" does not mean you have to fire it. China just made a combination of statements (notably the fact that the New Territories reprensenting 75% of HK's land were on a lease expiring in 1997, that they would not negociate on) and threats that resulted in the UK handing over HK on a platter. At that time (1997) HK by itself represented 15% of all of China's GDP, so Beijing definitely gained quite a lot by acting tough, even if they never had to pull the trigger.
- wav-part 9y ago
  Land or GDP are not gain. So exactly what has China gained ? HKese will not pay more taxes than they were paying. And if forced they will just leave (again) and take GDP with them. You may not fire it but there is cost of creating and maintaing a gun. Yes there might be skirmishes during birth of City-as-a-Service industry. But it will stablize as military states fails to find enough revenue to sustain itself while also maintaing welfare spending.

hitekker 9y ago

A few years ago, I vaguely recall english-speaking redditors living in East Ukraine ridiculing the prospect of Russia, a friendly neighbor, ever laying a hand on their country. They don't post anymore.

wav-part 9y ago
Thats why no private city-state will be created near natural resource. It will be extremely stupid.
- eponeponepon 9y ago
  And two city-states competing for the same natural resource will share it with each other in enlightened cooperation? No, that isn't how the primate territorial instinct works.
  - wav-part 9y ago
    Assuming we are talking about city-states of problem solvers. Than they will neither compete nor cooperate. They will just pay the market value for a barrel of oil. Instead, the fierce and low-margin/high-risk compitition actually exist between aggressors 1. for the control of same region (eg Saudi Arabia) and, 2. providing same product (eg crude oil).
cakedoggie 9y ago
What do you imagine that proves?

Hasknewbie 9y ago

> What has China to gain from invaded HK ? Handling "the barrel of a gun" does not mean you have to fire it. China just made a combination of statements (notably the fact that the New Territories reprensenting 75% of HK's land were on a lease expiring in 1997, that they would not negociate on) and threats that resulted in the UK handing over HK on a platter. At that time (1997) HK by itself represented 15% of all of China's GDP, so Beijing definitely gained quite a lot by acting tough, even if they never had to pull the trigger.

wav-part 9y ago
Land or GDP are not gain. So exactly what has China gained ? HKese will not pay more taxes than they were paying. And if forced they will just leave (again) and take GDP with them. You may not fire it but there is cost of creating and maintaing a gun. Yes there might be skirmishes during birth of City-as-a-Service industry. But it will stablize as military states fails to find enough revenue to sustain itself while also maintaing welfare spending.