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how come pre-emptions are expected? i would expect states cannot have any LOWER standards than federal (think min wage, emissions, etc) and can mandate higher i

by wbc 9y ago

how come pre-emptions are expected? i would expect states cannot have any LOWER standards than federal (think min wage, emissions, etc) and can mandate higher if they choose

tomschlick 9y ago
Because it would suck if you crossed into another state and all of a sudden your car acted differently to conform to that state's laws (turning off auto pilot, limiting speed, etc).
Tangurena2 9y ago
It is the other way around - states may not have standards unless they implement the exact federal standard: > No State or political subdivision of a State may maintain, enforce, prescribe, or continue in effect any law or regulation regarding the design, construction, or performance of highly automated vehicles, automated driving systems, or components of automated driving systems unless such law or regulation is identical to a standard prescribed under this chapter. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3388/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3388... According to Wired, there are 21 states with some form of regulation of self-driving vehicles. > Self-driving vehicles have been testing on public roads since 2010, when Google hit the streets near Mountain View, California. And in the absence of congressional oversight, states have stepped in to regulate them, creating a patchwork of at least 21 different state laws and guidelines with different purposes, definitions, and priorities. This is a serious pain for the growing self-driving industry, which aspires to build cars permitted on all public roads. https://www.wired.com/story/congress-self-driving-car-law-bill/ https://www.wired.com/story/congress-self-driving-car-law-bi...
dsfyu404ed 9y ago
CA emissions have forced the automakers to offer basically two versions of every vehicle for the past half century or so. Nobody in the industry wants a repeat of that because it costs money.
- jlev 9y ago
  In both cases the California standard was higher, improving the environment and saving lives. What happened to the states being policy laboratories? I thought Republicans were for local control? Or is that only for school textbooks and baking wedding cakes.
  - dsfyu404ed 9y ago
    >In both cases the California standard was higher, improving the environment and saving lives. Not the lives of the people who would have been saved by safety features in a car they weren't driving because they couldn't afford it or because the implementation of a particular safety feature was a lower priority than the implementing a second variant of emissions equipment and calibration. Stuff like this is fairly zero sum. >What happened to the states being policy laboratories The federal government could implement this as a FMVSS if they wanted. Neither party has a monopoly on saying one thing and doing another.

by wbc 9y ago

how come pre-emptions are expected? i would expect states cannot have any LOWER standards than federal (think min wage, emissions, etc) and can mandate higher if they choose

tomschlick 9y ago

Because it would suck if you crossed into another state and all of a sudden your car acted differently to conform to that state's laws (turning off auto pilot, limiting speed, etc).

Tangurena2 9y ago

It is the other way around - states may not have standards unless they implement the exact federal standard: > No State or political subdivision of a State may maintain, enforce, prescribe, or continue in effect any law or regulation regarding the design, construction, or performance of highly automated vehicles, automated driving systems, or components of automated driving systems unless such law or regulation is identical to a standard prescribed under this chapter. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3388/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/3388... According to Wired, there are 21 states with some form of regulation of self-driving vehicles. > Self-driving vehicles have been testing on public roads since 2010, when Google hit the streets near Mountain View, California. And in the absence of congressional oversight, states have stepped in to regulate them, creating a patchwork of at least 21 different state laws and guidelines with different purposes, definitions, and priorities. This is a serious pain for the growing self-driving industry, which aspires to build cars permitted on all public roads. https://www.wired.com/story/congress-self-driving-car-law-bill/ https://www.wired.com/story/congress-self-driving-car-law-bi...

dsfyu404ed 9y ago

CA emissions have forced the automakers to offer basically two versions of every vehicle for the past half century or so. Nobody in the industry wants a repeat of that because it costs money.

jlev 9y ago
In both cases the California standard was higher, improving the environment and saving lives. What happened to the states being policy laboratories? I thought Republicans were for local control? Or is that only for school textbooks and baking wedding cakes.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  >In both cases the California standard was higher, improving the environment and saving lives. Not the lives of the people who would have been saved by safety features in a car they weren't driving because they couldn't afford it or because the implementation of a particular safety feature was a lower priority than the implementing a second variant of emissions equipment and calibration. Stuff like this is fairly zero sum. >What happened to the states being policy laboratories The federal government could implement this as a FMVSS if they wanted. Neither party has a monopoly on saying one thing and doing another.