For most people I talk to and for myself as well the hate is not for Java the language per se. It's for Java the Standard library and ecosystem. Java the langua

For most people I talk to and for myself as well the hate is not for Java the language per se. It's for Java the Standard library and ecosystem. Java the language doesn't suck. However java's standard libraries seem to have been designed to make you write a metric ton of code to do the simple stuff and a planets worth of code to write anything actually useful. I used to joke that someone needed to write a java.lang.{python,perl,ruby} namespace where sane people can use code to just get stuff done. Then along came JRuby,Rhino,Jython, and now Clojure so I guess in a way that's exactly what people did.