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The classic joke in here is that if you look up "fascism" in the index, it goes to the section about logging in. User authentication wasn't part of the dream, s

The classic joke in here is that if you look up "fascism" in the index, it goes to the section about logging in. User authentication wasn't part of the dream, so having been forced to build it, they embedded a dig on it right in the manual. https://hanshuebner.github.io/lmman/files.xml#fascism https://hanshuebner.github.io/lmman/files.xml#fascism I think there are a few other jokes in the index but I don't recall what they are.

monocasa 9y ago
It goes on to say > The Lisp Machine uses your username (or the part that follows the last period) as a first guess for your password (this happens to take no extra time). Looks like they won in the long end and got a perhaps semi-surreptitious way to at least opt-in to an open environment.
Animats 9y ago
That was probably Stallman's doing. He wrote most of the LISP machine code.
- white-flame 9y ago
  If that's the case, then why is Emacs such a poor facsimile of the LispM environments? ;-)
- adrianm 9y ago
  The other side of the argument. https://danluu.com/symbolics-lisp-machines/ https://danluu.com/symbolics-lisp-machines/ Also interesting bits about the fall of Symbolics, the AI winter, and why Lisp adoption waned as a result.
- lispm 9y ago
  > He wrote most of the LISP machine code. That's nonsense. The Lisp Machine code was written by several people, some which had significant contributions.
  - ScottBurson 9y ago
    Indeed. Before they left to found Symbolics, David Moon, Howard Cannon, Dan Weinreb, and others (I'm sure I'm forgetting at least one name) wrote the vast bulk of the system. I think Richard Greenblatt wrote most of the microcode (he also did most of the hardware design and construction). After Symbolics formed, RMS did an amazing job at reimplementing many of the new features Moon and company were adding, so as to keep the MIT version of the system at rough parity with the Symbolics version. So his name belongs in the story, but not first.
    - Zigurd 9y ago
      The MIT version was commercialized, too. Lisp Machine Inc. employed Stallman and Greenblatt, and was back primarily by Texas Instruments.
      - erikj 9y ago
        Both Lisp Machines Inc. and Symbolics were selling the MIT version before redesigning it into their own brand new products, the LMI-LAMBDA and the Symbolics 3600.
cat199 9y ago
not surprising since many of the early lisp people grew up on ITS which had a built in 'crash' command available to all users which crashed the system.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_System#User_environment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_Syste...
mtreis86 9y ago
"Once a password is recorded for one host, the system uses that password as the guess if you connect to a file server on another host."

monocasa 9y ago

It goes on to say > The Lisp Machine uses your username (or the part that follows the last period) as a first guess for your password (this happens to take no extra time). Looks like they won in the long end and got a perhaps semi-surreptitious way to at least opt-in to an open environment.

Animats 9y ago

That was probably Stallman's doing. He wrote most of the LISP machine code.

white-flame 9y ago
If that's the case, then why is Emacs such a poor facsimile of the LispM environments? ;-)
adrianm 9y ago
The other side of the argument. https://danluu.com/symbolics-lisp-machines/ https://danluu.com/symbolics-lisp-machines/ Also interesting bits about the fall of Symbolics, the AI winter, and why Lisp adoption waned as a result.
lispm 9y ago
> He wrote most of the LISP machine code. That's nonsense. The Lisp Machine code was written by several people, some which had significant contributions.
- ScottBurson 9y ago
  Indeed. Before they left to found Symbolics, David Moon, Howard Cannon, Dan Weinreb, and others (I'm sure I'm forgetting at least one name) wrote the vast bulk of the system. I think Richard Greenblatt wrote most of the microcode (he also did most of the hardware design and construction). After Symbolics formed, RMS did an amazing job at reimplementing many of the new features Moon and company were adding, so as to keep the MIT version of the system at rough parity with the Symbolics version. So his name belongs in the story, but not first.
  - Zigurd 9y ago
    The MIT version was commercialized, too. Lisp Machine Inc. employed Stallman and Greenblatt, and was back primarily by Texas Instruments.
    - erikj 9y ago
      Both Lisp Machines Inc. and Symbolics were selling the MIT version before redesigning it into their own brand new products, the LMI-LAMBDA and the Symbolics 3600.

cat199 9y ago

not surprising since many of the early lisp people grew up on ITS which had a built in 'crash' command available to all users which crashed the system.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_System#User_environment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incompatible_Timesharing_Syste...

mtreis86 9y ago

"Once a password is recorded for one host, the system uses that password as the guess if you connect to a file server on another host."