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by yung_endian 9y ago

hoodoof 9y ago
Are you saying that makes Lisp mainstream?
- fao_ 9y ago
  It's more mainstream than the $NEW-AWESOME-JAVASCRIPT-FRAMEWORK. Not being mainstream doesn't mean that something isn't awesome. There are lots of awesome discoveries trapped in research/academia because the overton window of the current technology community is shifted too far to "What I am used to", or because nobody cares to look. Eventually some of these ideas will get dislodged and fall down to us, but you can't rely on that. If you read about Lisp's history it's very obvious why it is rejected by people at the moment.
  - hoodoof 9y ago
    >>> It's more mainstream than the $NEW-AWESOME-JAVASCRIPT-FRAMEWORK. This sentence doesn't make any sense. "Mainstream" means used alot - widespread acceptance. Lisp is #33 on Tiobe after Cobol, Foxpro, Fortran and Ada. How you can compare that to the takeup of the latest JS nframeworks I don't really understand. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ 21 SAS 1.372% 22 Dart 1.306% 23 D 1.103% 24 Transact-SQL 1.075% 25 ABAP 1.065% 26 COBOL 1.055% 27 (Visual) FoxPro 0.932% 28 Scala 0.923% 29 Fortran 0.879% 30 Ada 0.787% 31 Crystal 0.756% 32 Erlang 0.733% 33 Lisp 0.690% 34 Awk 0.662% 35 Lua 0.648%
    - criddell 9y ago
      I was just looking at that same list. I'm surprised Lua is that low considering how many applications embed it.
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      - Jtsummers 9y ago
        https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programming-languages-definition/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programming-languages-defi... The reason those rankings are (mostly) useless is that it's based on search engine hits. An active, effective community that for whatever reason doesn't generate a million and one blog entries a month will not perform as well on the index. This makes it very useful for indicating fads in programming, but not reality.
        Jach 9y ago
        There's also http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2017/03/17/language-rankings-1-17/ http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2017/03/17/language-rankings-1-17... which uses # pull requests on github with # of tags on Stack Overflow. Another biased methodology for sure, but it paints a different picture.

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hoodoof 9y ago

Are you saying that makes Lisp mainstream?

fao_ 9y ago
It's more mainstream than the $NEW-AWESOME-JAVASCRIPT-FRAMEWORK. Not being mainstream doesn't mean that something isn't awesome. There are lots of awesome discoveries trapped in research/academia because the overton window of the current technology community is shifted too far to "What I am used to", or because nobody cares to look. Eventually some of these ideas will get dislodged and fall down to us, but you can't rely on that. If you read about Lisp's history it's very obvious why it is rejected by people at the moment.
- hoodoof 9y ago
  >>> It's more mainstream than the $NEW-AWESOME-JAVASCRIPT-FRAMEWORK. This sentence doesn't make any sense. "Mainstream" means used alot - widespread acceptance. Lisp is #33 on Tiobe after Cobol, Foxpro, Fortran and Ada. How you can compare that to the takeup of the latest JS nframeworks I don't really understand. https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/ 21 SAS 1.372% 22 Dart 1.306% 23 D 1.103% 24 Transact-SQL 1.075% 25 ABAP 1.065% 26 COBOL 1.055% 27 (Visual) FoxPro 0.932% 28 Scala 0.923% 29 Fortran 0.879% 30 Ada 0.787% 31 Crystal 0.756% 32 Erlang 0.733% 33 Lisp 0.690% 34 Awk 0.662% 35 Lua 0.648%
  - criddell 9y ago
    I was just looking at that same list. I'm surprised Lua is that low considering how many applications embed it.
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    - Jtsummers 9y ago
      https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programming-languages-definition/ https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/programming-languages-defi... The reason those rankings are (mostly) useless is that it's based on search engine hits. An active, effective community that for whatever reason doesn't generate a million and one blog entries a month will not perform as well on the index. This makes it very useful for indicating fads in programming, but not reality.
      - Jach 9y ago
        There's also http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2017/03/17/language-rankings-1-17/ http://redmonk.com/sogrady/2017/03/17/language-rankings-1-17... which uses # pull requests on github with # of tags on Stack Overflow. Another biased methodology for sure, but it paints a different picture.