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Erdogan and the whole European east (Greece, Bulgaria, Ukraine) expansion was always just a big part of the anti-European strategy to binge grow this polit-amob

Erdogan and the whole European east (Greece, Bulgaria, Ukraine) expansion was always just a big part of the anti-European strategy to binge grow this polit-amobea to death. And it has worked, in so far that it has accelerated the probable demise forward by at least twenty years. Europe was always just a half hearted dream by its elites, who where not even enough into this vision, to share their power with the institutions they created. Now after the very same dream, has allowed for the life-standard growth of most of its citizens to disappear - they are in for a rude wake up with extremists devouring the corpse.

notzorbo3 9y ago
Literally nothing you're saying makes any sense on any level. This looks more like markov-chain generated text.
- Pica_soO 9y ago
  What about over-stretching a expansionist movement as a counter strategy does not make sense? Europe has grown hard, not smart. It never evaluated what it integrated, and as a result, is more unstable then ever.
- asdfgadsfgasfdg 9y ago
  There is some truth in the idea that the growth of the EU was intended to slow down the process of federalization. The UK pushed hard for the growth in the 2000's and was also a proponent of Turkey joining for these reasons.
allendoerfer 9y ago
> Now after the very same dream, has allowed for the life-standard growth of most of its citizens to disappear - they are in for a rude wake up with extremists devouring the corpse. What are you even talking about? We just had an Australian guest, who drove freely through Europe using one currency. These states previously fought two world wars against each other.
- Pica_soO 9y ago
  France nearly voted nationalist last vote. All of eastern europe is basically slowly abandoning democracy and demolishing its institutions. Germany is in for a AFD government. Sorry, but drive through tourism does not paint a accurate picture.
  - allendoerfer 9y ago
    > Germany is in for a AFD government. It is very much not. That's just plain false. Right-wing governments have been elected everywhere (US, Australia etc.). I don't deny that the EU has played a role, but you are painting a very dark picture of an institution which has a primarily positive influence on the world.
  - VeejayRampay 9y ago
    If 35% to 66% is "nearly" getting "nationalist vote" then yeah. You can also say that despite a huge economic recession, the unexpected influx of a large population of war refugees and on the back of Brexit, the populist far-right only got half of the votes the elected party got in the end and that's actually comforting, because scaring people off is always easier than vision and reform planification.

notzorbo3 9y ago

Literally nothing you're saying makes any sense on any level. This looks more like markov-chain generated text.

Pica_soO 9y ago
What about over-stretching a expansionist movement as a counter strategy does not make sense? Europe has grown hard, not smart. It never evaluated what it integrated, and as a result, is more unstable then ever.
asdfgadsfgasfdg 9y ago
There is some truth in the idea that the growth of the EU was intended to slow down the process of federalization. The UK pushed hard for the growth in the 2000's and was also a proponent of Turkey joining for these reasons.

allendoerfer 9y ago

> Now after the very same dream, has allowed for the life-standard growth of most of its citizens to disappear - they are in for a rude wake up with extremists devouring the corpse. What are you even talking about? We just had an Australian guest, who drove freely through Europe using one currency. These states previously fought two world wars against each other.

Pica_soO 9y ago
France nearly voted nationalist last vote. All of eastern europe is basically slowly abandoning democracy and demolishing its institutions. Germany is in for a AFD government. Sorry, but drive through tourism does not paint a accurate picture.
- allendoerfer 9y ago
  > Germany is in for a AFD government. It is very much not. That's just plain false. Right-wing governments have been elected everywhere (US, Australia etc.). I don't deny that the EU has played a role, but you are painting a very dark picture of an institution which has a primarily positive influence on the world.
- VeejayRampay 9y ago
  If 35% to 66% is "nearly" getting "nationalist vote" then yeah. You can also say that despite a huge economic recession, the unexpected influx of a large population of war refugees and on the back of Brexit, the populist far-right only got half of the votes the elected party got in the end and that's actually comforting, because scaring people off is always easier than vision and reform planification.