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Far left no 80% of sv employees would be described as centre right (probably more socially liberal) in uk terms a wet one nation tory which is what pres Obama

Far left no 80% of sv employees would be described as centre right (probably more socially liberal) in uk terms a wet one nation tory which is what pres Obama is. If sv is so far left why do no sv companies have Union recognition? Far left is those that support Assad and think that stalin was right aka "Tankies".

josteink 9y ago
That's probably right, but in some areas SV politics seems much more left-leaning and extreme than anything seen in Europe: Diversity, Gender-identity nonsense and third wave feminism (things like making "meritocracy" a borderline fireable offense). I guess it's not as simple and one-dimensional as one would like it to be ;)
- walshemj 9y ago
  meritocracy doesn't mean what you think it does.
pc86 9y ago
I think it's important to appropriate contextualize things like "left" and "right." Most importantly, why are we comparing Silicon Valley to Europe? They're completely different political climates, in different countries. Comparing political ideologies between two countries is a fool's errand more often than not. Within the context of American politics, San Francisco (and SV to a lesser extent) is one of the most liberal places in the country, probably top 5 and certainly top 10. Even within the context of the California politics specifically (itself the 3rd or 4th most liberal state), it's center left. Trying to frame San Francisco as anything right of center is ridiculous unless you're comparing it only to things like Communism and Socialism. Edit: And let's not forget than most people want to frame themselves as either center left or center right. Very rarely will someone proudly say they are far left or far right, regardless of context.
- walshemj 9y ago
  its to the right of some conservative's in the uk
  - pc86 9y ago
    Did you read the comment?
    - walshemj 9y ago
      yes and less American Exceptionisam might help in this discussion
      - pc86 9y ago
        It has nothing to do with American exceptionalism, it's about appropriate context. I don't see anything useful coming out of trying to force San Francisco residents and London residents onto the same political spectrum. They're two entirely different spectrums, and "left" and "right" mean different things.

josteink 9y ago

That's probably right, but in some areas SV politics seems much more left-leaning and extreme than anything seen in Europe: Diversity, Gender-identity nonsense and third wave feminism (things like making "meritocracy" a borderline fireable offense). I guess it's not as simple and one-dimensional as one would like it to be ;)

walshemj 9y ago
meritocracy doesn't mean what you think it does.

pc86 9y ago

I think it's important to appropriate contextualize things like "left" and "right." Most importantly, why are we comparing Silicon Valley to Europe? They're completely different political climates, in different countries. Comparing political ideologies between two countries is a fool's errand more often than not. Within the context of American politics, San Francisco (and SV to a lesser extent) is one of the most liberal places in the country, probably top 5 and certainly top 10. Even within the context of the California politics specifically (itself the 3rd or 4th most liberal state), it's center left. Trying to frame San Francisco as anything right of center is ridiculous unless you're comparing it only to things like Communism and Socialism. Edit: And let's not forget than most people want to frame themselves as either center left or center right. Very rarely will someone proudly say they are far left or far right, regardless of context.

walshemj 9y ago
its to the right of some conservative's in the uk
- pc86 9y ago
  Did you read the comment?
  - walshemj 9y ago
    yes and less American Exceptionisam might help in this discussion
    - pc86 9y ago
      It has nothing to do with American exceptionalism, it's about appropriate context. I don't see anything useful coming out of trying to force San Francisco residents and London residents onto the same political spectrum. They're two entirely different spectrums, and "left" and "right" mean different things.