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Trump isn't really proving me wrong. He made a lot of promises. He's completely unable to get any of them done; he's a completely ineffective politician. He's a

by vacri 9y ago

Trump isn't really proving me wrong. He made a lot of promises. He's completely unable to get any of them done; he's a completely ineffective politician. He's alienated his own staff and political allies. He won't survive the next election, and doesn't even want to. He doesn't care to stay, and without impeachment, there's no way to remove him. Total amount of elections won = 1, total amount of 'stuff done' = 0. Trump doesn't care about keeping his job or doing his job and he effectively can't be fired (which is rare for most positions). If you don't care about those kinds of ramifications, then you don't need to defend your slip-ups. He really is an atypical case here.

sametmax 9y ago
> He really is an atypical case here. Not in my experience. I France we have politicians lying, cheating and even being condemned coming back all the time.
- dsfyu404ed 9y ago
  You don't even need to go as far as France. RI and NJ do that too.
  - brepl 9y ago
    > You don't even need to go as far as France. The implication in the comment above is that he's already in France. So going to RI or NJ would be going further.
- vacri 9y ago
  'coming back' means they lost their job at some point. And Trump hasn't 'come back', because he's still in his first ever term as a politician (and it's extraordinarily difficult to fire him - a US president has literally never been successfully impeached, though one retired to avoid it possibly happening). I also never said that this was an ironclad rule and that you were permanently dismissed from your position, never to return again in your lifetime. But if you do lose your position, it's far from guaranteed that you'll get it back; it's a considerable risk to lose it, hence folks in authority play it safe. Are you saying though, that France has not seen politicians and other positions of authority say less of substance than in past decades? That they're not watching their tongues any more than they used to? That errant comments aren't taken out of context by the public and used to vilify the person who said it? Well, more power to you; the rest of us should be so lucky - all over the anglo world, this pattern has been noted, rising with the 24-hour news cycle (which rewards 'gotcha!' journalism).

by vacri 9y ago

sametmax 9y ago

> He really is an atypical case here. Not in my experience. I France we have politicians lying, cheating and even being condemned coming back all the time.

dsfyu404ed 9y ago
You don't even need to go as far as France. RI and NJ do that too.
- brepl 9y ago
  > You don't even need to go as far as France. The implication in the comment above is that he's already in France. So going to RI or NJ would be going further.
vacri 9y ago
'coming back' means they lost their job at some point. And Trump hasn't 'come back', because he's still in his first ever term as a politician (and it's extraordinarily difficult to fire him - a US president has literally never been successfully impeached, though one retired to avoid it possibly happening). I also never said that this was an ironclad rule and that you were permanently dismissed from your position, never to return again in your lifetime. But if you do lose your position, it's far from guaranteed that you'll get it back; it's a considerable risk to lose it, hence folks in authority play it safe. Are you saying though, that France has not seen politicians and other positions of authority say less of substance than in past decades? That they're not watching their tongues any more than they used to? That errant comments aren't taken out of context by the public and used to vilify the person who said it? Well, more power to you; the rest of us should be so lucky - all over the anglo world, this pattern has been noted, rising with the 24-hour news cycle (which rewards 'gotcha!' journalism).