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Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car than being a victim of any crime. Or maybe they try something stupid (we all did stupid things

by pamqzl 9y ago

Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car than being a victim of any crime. Or maybe they try something stupid (we all did stupid things as kids and I don't expect my kids to be smarter than I was) and wind up drowning in the river or falling off something.

dagw 9y ago
Oh absolutely. but if we're talking about crimes, it's much more likely that my kid would get robbed on her way to school rather than kidnapped.
walterstucco 9y ago
> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? From what I see it is common for adults to drown while they're trying to save someone else (usually not kids, but other adults) If you start thinking about everything that _could_ happen, you wouldn't let your kids go out Kids spend a lot of time alone and still they manage to survive Why going to school should be any different?
- AstralStorm 9y ago
  1) More common than with adults. Statistics one this are widely available. Sometimes even details. Drops rapidly with age. Main cause of vehicular accident deaths is actually crashes. Some 20% deaths and injuries are estimated to be preventable by consistent child restraint/seat usage. Drunk parent drivers are responsible for about 20% of the total under 15 vehicular accident deaths... 2) Compare say multiple person being in a vehicular accidents when one is a child. Also make sure to include a reduction in car crashes including a child as some of those would become pedestrians. (Data is also available, but no idea how many kids would walk.) School busses exist and work. 3, 4) Stats are not readily available. 5) Stats are available, most of those happen near the parents anyway. Essentially negligence with very small kids or stupidity like having kids near unguarded aquifers or drops. Such areas are rare in cities.
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    You're basically agreeing with me Fear of your kid being hit by a car is just perception driving them to school with the false sense of security that when they are with their parents kids are safer is more dangerous
    - AstralStorm 9y ago
      Well, it is a real fear, especially when kids are playing instead of going somewhere. However, driving the kids to school is probably no better than them just going on their own looking at stats of car crashes with kids involved. Anyway, as expected, parents tend to behave highly irrationally when safety of their own children is involved.
- dagw 9y ago
  Is it common for them to be hit by cars? According to CDC it's the second most common cause of accidental injury death among children aged 5-14 (after being in a car crash)
  - AstralStorm 9y ago
    CDC has data for the US only. The suspicion is that suburban development is the main cause, not walking to school or to school bus. In actual cities the rates should be lower as roads are not mixed with recreational or pedestrian areas as much, at least in Europe. It is still the leading cause though. (WHO has good data.) Quite a few accidents are also caused by biking...
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    With or without parent's supervision? The post I was replying to specifically said he's scared that his kid could be hit by a car when going to school on his own It's fairly obvious that accidents are the most common cause of death for kids My point is that parent supervision don't protect them from being hit or end up in a car crash or fall down from a bridge p.s.: main cause doesn't mean it is common I believe it's not very common, it's catastrophic for their young body when it happens, but not common
    - AstralStorm 9y ago
      Critical part is actually "going to school". Typical stats on accidents do not say where you were going, but at most where you actually were. My suspicion is that most vehicular accidents happen during play or free roaming, especially in an unsupervised kid group, not when actually going somewhere on their own.
- TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
  > If you start thinking about everything that _could_ happen, you wouldn't let your kids go out This is precisely where are now.
  - walterstucco 9y ago
    The next step is sending them away from their parents :) http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Child_Abduction_is_Not_Funny http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Child_Abduction_is_Not_Funny
odessacubbage 9y ago
i got hit by a car, walking home from the double-transfer public bus i rode alone to & from elementary school everyday. it increased my pain threshold dramatically which effectively ended the bullying i'd been subject to up to that point. the whole experience was a net positive. >Or maybe they try something stupid that's the fastest way to become smart in my experience. humans are remarkably adept at not dying and even ballsy kids can judge their competence well enough if they're given the opportunity to learn their limits.

by pamqzl 9y ago

dagw 9y ago

Oh absolutely. but if we're talking about crimes, it's much more likely that my kid would get robbed on her way to school rather than kidnapped.

walterstucco 9y ago

> Honestly I'd be far more worried about my kid being hit by a car But why? Is it common for them to be hit by cars? Is it safer for them to go to school with parents? And if someone hits you while you are trying to protect your kid, is it less traumatic? And if while you take them to school you hit someone else's kid, is it less traumatic? Is it common for kids to drown or fall and die while parents are not there? From what I see it is common for adults to drown while they're trying to save someone else (usually not kids, but other adults) If you start thinking about everything that _could_ happen, you wouldn't let your kids go out Kids spend a lot of time alone and still they manage to survive Why going to school should be any different?

AstralStorm 9y ago
1) More common than with adults. Statistics one this are widely available. Sometimes even details. Drops rapidly with age. Main cause of vehicular accident deaths is actually crashes. Some 20% deaths and injuries are estimated to be preventable by consistent child restraint/seat usage. Drunk parent drivers are responsible for about 20% of the total under 15 vehicular accident deaths... 2) Compare say multiple person being in a vehicular accidents when one is a child. Also make sure to include a reduction in car crashes including a child as some of those would become pedestrians. (Data is also available, but no idea how many kids would walk.) School busses exist and work. 3, 4) Stats are not readily available. 5) Stats are available, most of those happen near the parents anyway. Essentially negligence with very small kids or stupidity like having kids near unguarded aquifers or drops. Such areas are rare in cities.
- walterstucco 9y ago
  You're basically agreeing with me Fear of your kid being hit by a car is just perception driving them to school with the false sense of security that when they are with their parents kids are safer is more dangerous
  - AstralStorm 9y ago
    Well, it is a real fear, especially when kids are playing instead of going somewhere. However, driving the kids to school is probably no better than them just going on their own looking at stats of car crashes with kids involved. Anyway, as expected, parents tend to behave highly irrationally when safety of their own children is involved.
dagw 9y ago
Is it common for them to be hit by cars? According to CDC it's the second most common cause of accidental injury death among children aged 5-14 (after being in a car crash)
- AstralStorm 9y ago
  CDC has data for the US only. The suspicion is that suburban development is the main cause, not walking to school or to school bus. In actual cities the rates should be lower as roads are not mixed with recreational or pedestrian areas as much, at least in Europe. It is still the leading cause though. (WHO has good data.) Quite a few accidents are also caused by biking...
- walterstucco 9y ago
  With or without parent's supervision? The post I was replying to specifically said he's scared that his kid could be hit by a car when going to school on his own It's fairly obvious that accidents are the most common cause of death for kids My point is that parent supervision don't protect them from being hit or end up in a car crash or fall down from a bridge p.s.: main cause doesn't mean it is common I believe it's not very common, it's catastrophic for their young body when it happens, but not common
  - AstralStorm 9y ago
    Critical part is actually "going to school". Typical stats on accidents do not say where you were going, but at most where you actually were. My suspicion is that most vehicular accidents happen during play or free roaming, especially in an unsupervised kid group, not when actually going somewhere on their own.
TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
> If you start thinking about everything that _could_ happen, you wouldn't let your kids go out This is precisely where are now.
- walterstucco 9y ago
  The next step is sending them away from their parents :) http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Child_Abduction_is_Not_Funny http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Child_Abduction_is_Not_Funny

odessacubbage 9y ago

i got hit by a car, walking home from the double-transfer public bus i rode alone to & from elementary school everyday. it increased my pain threshold dramatically which effectively ended the bullying i'd been subject to up to that point. the whole experience was a net positive. >Or maybe they try something stupid that's the fastest way to become smart in my experience. humans are remarkably adept at not dying and even ballsy kids can judge their competence well enough if they're given the opportunity to learn their limits.