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> but wonder what your plan for "educating these idiots" is. The same way you do with public health campaigns or any other public concern. > How do you deal w
by ch4s3 9y ago
> but wonder what your plan for "educating these idiots" is.
The same way you do with public health campaigns or any other public concern.
> How do you deal with bad actors who see un- or laxly-enforced policies as an invitation to abuse the system?
Finne them.
> How do you deal with repeat offenders who are less malicious but are willing to eat a fine
Fine them more.
> How do you deal with people who have missed or forgotten some of the education and so bring their dog into a situation that it isn't prepared to deal with
Make them leave.
> and it attacks a person, another animal, or causes massive property damage, or health risk?
There are already laws for that. Do people's dogs routinely attack people in airplanes?
> Lately I see a lot of people proposing policies that ignore bad actors or people opting out of the system, and don't discuss what to do then, and it worries me.
I agree, and I think jailing people for nonviolent crimes is bad policy.
- majormajor 9y agoSorry, I read a too far into your original post and somehow thought it was more anti-fine too. Fining does run into a problem when they're out of money, though, where "jail because they're broke" is a still dicey proposition. As to public health campaigns and other public concerns: are we any good at those? In the US, at least, there's a strong "personal liberty" ideological bent that is very resistant to education in many areas. Seems like conservationism is an example of a successful campaign in the past, but even that's been more on the losing side lately around land protection, EPA, etc.
- ch4s3 9y agoNo, I'm pro fine, as long as it's reasonable and has a max and no minimum so a judge can cut a poor person who just didn't know the law a break. But jail just seems crazy, especially in a place like California where the prisons are bursting at the seams. > As to public health campaigns and other public concerns: are we any good at those? There's some pretty good data about education/campaigns and teen pregnancy if you care to google for it. Basically, yes, it works.
- DanBC 9y ago> Basically, yes, it works. It doesn't seem to work that well. https://discover.dc.nihr.ac.uk/portal/article/4000763/teaching-sexual-health-at-school-improved-knowledge-but-not-safe-sex-practices https://discover.dc.nihr.ac.uk/portal/article/4000763/teachi... > School-based sexual health interventions improved knowledge and attitudes in school students up to 18. However, they failed to consistently improve safe sex practices or reduce unwanted pregnancies. Abstinence-based messages were least effective. > This review of reviews included 37 systematic reviews of school-based sexual health interventions. It excluded low-quality reviews and spanned 1990 to 2016, so is likely to reflect the best evidence available on the topic.
- ghaff 9y agoI'm not an expert but my understanding is that PSAs have a pretty mixed record historically (including some that, strictly from an advertising impact perspective, were pretty well done). e.g. Keep America Beautiful. In conjunction with other actions, behaviors such as smoking can be altered. But it takes a lot of wood behind a lot of arrows to shift public attitudes.
- ch4s3 9y agoYeah, that's about what I recalled. It seems much more effective than prison.
- pamqzl 9y agoFines aren't a particularly effective punishment, especially when applied to people who are already struggling financially. My controversial idea is that we should be thinking more about corporal punishment as an alternative to prison or fines. Good old fashioned temporary physical pain is something that is, in a sense, fair across everybody -- a rich man can fear it just as much as a poor man. Compared to a short prison sentence it's cheap, safe, and doesn't ruin the convicted's future life nearly so much.
- matz1 9y agoThen what if they refuse to pay the fine ? Jail them ?