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I hate to be "that guy" but, I don't think this is really what people want their kids reading: "SMUGGLER: Do you like booze? CITIZEN: Sure I do. And who are y

I hate to be "that guy" but, I don't think this is really what people want their kids reading: "SMUGGLER: Do you like booze? CITIZEN: Sure I do. And who are you? SMUGGLER: I'm the person who will sell you some booze. CITIZEN: What about cigarettes? SMUGGLERS: Sure thing. Cheap Ukrainian variety for $1 a pack. Also Slovenian Mariboro brand."

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msla 9y ago
Depends on how old the kids are. Are you necessarily assuming pre-teen?
- slavik81 9y ago
  Pre-teen is a pretty broad category. A normal twelve-year-old is in Grade 7. That was the year I read Shōgun, which is basically your run-of-the-mill adult fiction novel. The content was never a concern, despite making the objections raised here look trivial in comparison. Frankly, I'm not sure there's any age at which mere references to alcohol are age-inappropriate, but if there is, it must be quite young.
adammenges 9y ago
I'm rereading the Harry Potter books, they get _dark_. Blood, death, and stabbing all happened in just what I read yesterday.
- __s 9y ago
  A lot of people don't want their kids reading Harry Potter
  - ericzawo 9y ago
    A lot of parents don't want kids going on the internet and looking at violence or porn, But it will definitely happen. May as well encourage positive things like literature. Also the Harry Potter series is full of themes around heroism, friendship, perseverance, and other qualities you'd wish your children have. I can't wait to reread the series for my kids.
  - baby 9y ago
    Yeah and these people are insane and probably more toxic for their children than anything they're trying to ban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Har...
- snakeanus 9y ago
  The characters are supposed to grow along with the audience in the Harry Potter to my knowledge.
  - dpc59 9y ago
    Nothing says healthy life for a 11 year old like living with your abusive aunt and uncle and having to fight the dark wizard that killed your parents.
  - baby 9y ago
    That's when the books were released every other year, now that all the books are out you can probably read them in a few weeks. I definitely grew up along the characters though :)
- bsder 9y ago
  If you think Harry Potter is bad, let them read the Holy Bible cover to cover.
  - baby 9y ago
    We were reading the uncensored version of Robinson Crusoe when were kids for giggles (fucking trees, fucking goats, lots of fucking things). Or the George Sand letter: http://ciphermysteries.com/2010/05/16/george-sands-cryptography http://ciphermysteries.com/2010/05/16/george-sands-cryptogra...
Rjevski 9y ago
The story doesn't condone nor endorse those things, so I see no problem. I don't see anything wrong with kids knowing there are bad things in this world - they're gonna discover it anyway sooner or later.
andrewfromx 9y ago
is the Road to adulthood a slow freeway on-ramp that you have from 0-18 to get up to 65 MPH, or at 18 age are you dropped in the fast lane with no experience going even close to 65?
- toeicnw2848 9y ago
  Depends on which religion you grew up with. If you're fairly secular, it's gradual. If you're a Mormon, you get pushed out of a car doing 90.
  - andrewfromx 9y ago
    ^ exactly. And why do so many religious parents think that's going to work for their kid?
kilceem 9y ago
its a double edged sword. teach good morals and this(encryption) also teaches you can not trust everyone.
txru 9y ago
> Slovenian Mariboro That is a clever reference.
- selimthegrim 9y ago
  Nice, I missed that one first time around too
tomxor 9y ago
I don't think this guys is trying to win any PC competitions, just look at his profile image :P https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/305718?v=4&s=400 https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/305718?v=4&s=400 But if i had kids i'd not blinding them with a PC view of the world. Kids or not, these are fun little stories even for adult non-cryptographers.
- jszymborski 9y ago
  Is smoking not PC now? 0_o
  - lucideer 9y ago
    I'm not too sure about the PC status of the act of smoking, in isolation, but I would say that presenting yourself to kids as an educating figure who smokes is probably seen as less than PC to some.
    - Quarrelsome 9y ago
      what about being obese (for the sake of argument)?
      - lucideer 9y ago
        Little different since one is an action, the other a state/symptom/result/outcome. I guess there's an argument to be made against promoting/normalising activities that cause obesity, but I'd say current societal norms are set up to demonise smoking a lot more strongly.
- hashbig 9y ago
  And what does his profile photo have to do with being PC?
  - tomxor 9y ago
    cmon he totally looks stoned. I'm not judging, i just find it amusing :P
bloaf 9y ago
http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html >It is true that some of the characters speak coarsely. That is because people speak coarsely in real life. Especially soldiers and hardworking men speak coarsely, and even our most sheltered children know that. And we all know, too, that those words really don’t damage children much. They didn’t damage us when we were young. It was evil deeds and lying that hurt us.
- Xeoncross 9y ago
  > those words really don’t damage children much Wait, who is this? Can they verify this claim? What does "much" mean anyway? Why damage children at all by choice?
  - Zarel 9y ago
    Did you click on the linked source? It says it was written by Kurt Vonnegut, who is arguing that the value of accurately depicting reality to students is more important than protecting them from whatever imagined risk of reading harsh language there is.
    - jacalata 9y ago
      The rest of the questions seem valid though.
      - mikeash 9y ago
        They are, but they're equally valid the other way. Why start with the assumption that Puritan sensibilities are OK and require everything else to prove itself?
        jacalata 9y ago
        Because Vonnegut made an affirmative claim that this doesn't hurt children, and the comment was challenging that claim. I didn't notice anyone making a claim that it definitely does hurt children.
oskarth 9y ago
> I hate to be "that guy" but, I don't think this is really what people want their kids reading: So don't be the that guy. Kids are a lot tougher than what the current helicopter parent trend would have you believe. Would you forbid your kids from reading something like Tintin too? There's no shortage of "glorification" of alcohol there - Captain Haddock's alcoholism is a recurring theme.
- mstade 9y ago
  I grew up on the Tintin series – love it! Also Asterix. I mean, magic potion that gives you super human strength, to take out the Romans? Yeah. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. I think maybe we need to just give them the space to figure shit out on their own.
- theoh 9y ago
  Another angle is: do you want your kid's first encounter with the idea of Ukraine or Slovenia to be a disparaging/pejorative stereotype? Even if it was a real factual representation it might encourage the kid to pick up or repeat unhealthy attitudes. My (european) childhood experience was definitely like that at times, race being the major topic about which slurs were innocently propagated by kids who didn't know any better...

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msla 9y ago

Depends on how old the kids are. Are you necessarily assuming pre-teen?

slavik81 9y ago
Pre-teen is a pretty broad category. A normal twelve-year-old is in Grade 7. That was the year I read Shōgun, which is basically your run-of-the-mill adult fiction novel. The content was never a concern, despite making the objections raised here look trivial in comparison. Frankly, I'm not sure there's any age at which mere references to alcohol are age-inappropriate, but if there is, it must be quite young.

adammenges 9y ago

I'm rereading the Harry Potter books, they get _dark_. Blood, death, and stabbing all happened in just what I read yesterday.

__s 9y ago
A lot of people don't want their kids reading Harry Potter
- ericzawo 9y ago
  A lot of parents don't want kids going on the internet and looking at violence or porn, But it will definitely happen. May as well encourage positive things like literature. Also the Harry Potter series is full of themes around heroism, friendship, perseverance, and other qualities you'd wish your children have. I can't wait to reread the series for my kids.
- baby 9y ago
  Yeah and these people are insane and probably more toxic for their children than anything they're trying to ban. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Har...
snakeanus 9y ago
The characters are supposed to grow along with the audience in the Harry Potter to my knowledge.
- dpc59 9y ago
  Nothing says healthy life for a 11 year old like living with your abusive aunt and uncle and having to fight the dark wizard that killed your parents.
- baby 9y ago
  That's when the books were released every other year, now that all the books are out you can probably read them in a few weeks. I definitely grew up along the characters though :)
bsder 9y ago
If you think Harry Potter is bad, let them read the Holy Bible cover to cover.
- baby 9y ago
  We were reading the uncensored version of Robinson Crusoe when were kids for giggles (fucking trees, fucking goats, lots of fucking things). Or the George Sand letter: http://ciphermysteries.com/2010/05/16/george-sands-cryptography http://ciphermysteries.com/2010/05/16/george-sands-cryptogra...

Rjevski 9y ago

The story doesn't condone nor endorse those things, so I see no problem. I don't see anything wrong with kids knowing there are bad things in this world - they're gonna discover it anyway sooner or later.

andrewfromx 9y ago

is the Road to adulthood a slow freeway on-ramp that you have from 0-18 to get up to 65 MPH, or at 18 age are you dropped in the fast lane with no experience going even close to 65?

toeicnw2848 9y ago
Depends on which religion you grew up with. If you're fairly secular, it's gradual. If you're a Mormon, you get pushed out of a car doing 90.
- andrewfromx 9y ago
  ^ exactly. And why do so many religious parents think that's going to work for their kid?

kilceem 9y ago

its a double edged sword. teach good morals and this(encryption) also teaches you can not trust everyone.

txru 9y ago

> Slovenian Mariboro That is a clever reference.

selimthegrim 9y ago
Nice, I missed that one first time around too

tomxor 9y ago

I don't think this guys is trying to win any PC competitions, just look at his profile image :P https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/305718?v=4&s=400 https://avatars1.githubusercontent.com/u/305718?v=4&s=400 But if i had kids i'd not blinding them with a PC view of the world. Kids or not, these are fun little stories even for adult non-cryptographers.

jszymborski 9y ago
Is smoking not PC now? 0_o
- lucideer 9y ago
  I'm not too sure about the PC status of the act of smoking, in isolation, but I would say that presenting yourself to kids as an educating figure who smokes is probably seen as less than PC to some.
  - Quarrelsome 9y ago
    what about being obese (for the sake of argument)?
    - lucideer 9y ago
      Little different since one is an action, the other a state/symptom/result/outcome. I guess there's an argument to be made against promoting/normalising activities that cause obesity, but I'd say current societal norms are set up to demonise smoking a lot more strongly.
hashbig 9y ago
And what does his profile photo have to do with being PC?
- tomxor 9y ago
  cmon he totally looks stoned. I'm not judging, i just find it amusing :P

bloaf 9y ago

http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html http://www.lettersofnote.com/2012/03/i-am-very-real.html >It is true that some of the characters speak coarsely. That is because people speak coarsely in real life. Especially soldiers and hardworking men speak coarsely, and even our most sheltered children know that. And we all know, too, that those words really don’t damage children much. They didn’t damage us when we were young. It was evil deeds and lying that hurt us.

Xeoncross 9y ago
> those words really don’t damage children much Wait, who is this? Can they verify this claim? What does "much" mean anyway? Why damage children at all by choice?
- Zarel 9y ago
  Did you click on the linked source? It says it was written by Kurt Vonnegut, who is arguing that the value of accurately depicting reality to students is more important than protecting them from whatever imagined risk of reading harsh language there is.
  - jacalata 9y ago
    The rest of the questions seem valid though.
    - mikeash 9y ago
      They are, but they're equally valid the other way. Why start with the assumption that Puritan sensibilities are OK and require everything else to prove itself?
      - jacalata 9y ago
        Because Vonnegut made an affirmative claim that this doesn't hurt children, and the comment was challenging that claim. I didn't notice anyone making a claim that it definitely does hurt children.

oskarth 9y ago

> I hate to be "that guy" but, I don't think this is really what people want their kids reading: So don't be the that guy. Kids are a lot tougher than what the current helicopter parent trend would have you believe. Would you forbid your kids from reading something like Tintin too? There's no shortage of "glorification" of alcohol there - Captain Haddock's alcoholism is a recurring theme.

mstade 9y ago
I grew up on the Tintin series – love it! Also Asterix. I mean, magic potion that gives you super human strength, to take out the Romans? Yeah. Kids are smarter than we give them credit for. I think maybe we need to just give them the space to figure shit out on their own.
theoh 9y ago
Another angle is: do you want your kid's first encounter with the idea of Ukraine or Slovenia to be a disparaging/pejorative stereotype? Even if it was a real factual representation it might encourage the kid to pick up or repeat unhealthy attitudes. My (european) childhood experience was definitely like that at times, race being the major topic about which slurs were innocently propagated by kids who didn't know any better...