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The problem is that Web exists in a sandbox. They can collect data about my usage of their website, full stop (large sites like Facebook and Google get around t

The problem is that Web exists in a sandbox. They can collect data about my usage of their website, full stop (large sites like Facebook and Google get around this, but that's not really telemetry). With desktop there's no way of knowing what's collected with "telemetry"

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codedokode 9y ago
And that is the problem of using OSes with outdated security model from mainframe era.
- michaelmrose 9y ago
  To some large degree you need to be able to trust the people that provide software to you or you can't function.
  - rapind 9y ago
    If it's open source you don't have to trust them as much. I function just fine with a mostly open stack.
- Const-me 9y ago
  We have a couple of very popular OSes with security models resembling a web browser: iOS, and Android. You have no idea how much data is collected by an average application on these platforms. They don’t call it telemetry, they call it “analytics”, but it’s pretty much the same thing: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-platform-for-mobile-app-analytics-and-why https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-platform-for-mobile-a... https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/best-mobile-app-analytics-platform/ https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/best-mobile-app-analyti... Unlike Windows, a lot of parties have access to the collected data: application developers, and also these platforms like localytics/upsight/google/etc.
userbinator 9y ago
Furthermore, when people choose to "go online" or "use the Internet" that's a (mostly) conscious decision --- they know, more or less, that what they're doing is actually reaching out to some other machine somewhere else, and adjust their behaviour accordingly. The related blurring of the distinction between what's local and what's remote, also irritates me greatly. E.g. making one UI search both local file names and contents as well as the Internet.

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codedokode 9y ago

And that is the problem of using OSes with outdated security model from mainframe era.

michaelmrose 9y ago
To some large degree you need to be able to trust the people that provide software to you or you can't function.
- rapind 9y ago
  If it's open source you don't have to trust them as much. I function just fine with a mostly open stack.
Const-me 9y ago
We have a couple of very popular OSes with security models resembling a web browser: iOS, and Android. You have no idea how much data is collected by an average application on these platforms. They don’t call it telemetry, they call it “analytics”, but it’s pretty much the same thing: https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-platform-for-mobile-app-analytics-and-why https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-best-platform-for-mobile-a... https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/best-mobile-app-analytics-platform/ https://www.templatemonster.com/blog/best-mobile-app-analyti... Unlike Windows, a lot of parties have access to the collected data: application developers, and also these platforms like localytics/upsight/google/etc.

userbinator 9y ago

Furthermore, when people choose to "go online" or "use the Internet" that's a (mostly) conscious decision --- they know, more or less, that what they're doing is actually reaching out to some other machine somewhere else, and adjust their behaviour accordingly. The related blurring of the distinction between what's local and what's remote, also irritates me greatly. E.g. making one UI search both local file names and contents as well as the Internet.