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> AFAIUI, Windows took the philosophy that the user should be the god of their system. By running software, the user has indicated to the OS that "This code is

> AFAIUI, Windows took the philosophy that the user should be the god of their system. By running software, the user has indicated to the OS that "This code is blessed and I want it to run". I really don't buy this. Aside from it being an incredibly dumb way of them to think that any process running was intentionally blessed by the user (have they _used_ a computer at any point in the last couple decades?), it's in direct conflict with the idea that they'll do things like restart your computer without your consent in order to install updates[1] (and of course, the restart takes several minutes due to the updates). My roommate and I were in the middle of a LAN Starcraft game in college and this happened. This was a trivial case that just meant our team lost the game, but there are far more serious situations in which taking a user's computer out of commission at an entirely arbitrary time could cause some serious damage. I can't imagine what kind of deranged lunatic at Microsoft thought this was an okay thing to do, and I can't fathom what kind of Stockholm Syndrome drives people to continue to use Windows when there's so many aggressively anti-user decisions like that peppered through the OS. [1] All you have to do is click Postpone often enough when asked to install updates

nxc18 9y ago
The forced restart experience indicates that windows is quite capable of killing any process it wants to. Otherwise you could just run an app to block that feature. If you read Windows Internals you'll get some insight into how shutdown works. There are lots of things that want to do special work on shutdown, and windows gives them time. Consider, for example, if you have an unsaved document in word; windows won't shutdown until you save the document and close word or windows gets tired of waiting and prompts you to shut down anyway. This is configurable through the registry, btw. I'd say the n times you hit 'postpone' count as windows giving you your fair warning.
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- stan_rogers 9y ago
  And I'd say that saying "not now" n times gives Windows fair warning that now is not a good time.
- wutbrodo 9y ago
  > I'd say the n times you hit 'postpone' count as windows giving you your fair warning. I'm sorry, but this is absolutely and utterly insane. It's beyond idiotic to suggest that an arbitrary point hours or days in the future will magically be appropriate for your computer to shut down just because you passed over the chance to update at several unrelated times in the past. I agree that it was ill-advised for my roommate to skip the updates so consistently, but the idea that this means that it's You apparently only use your computer for Facebook games or something, but some of us (meaning like.....99.9% of computer users) use it for important things at least occasionally, and many use computers for things that are absolutely critical. The idea that Windows is justified in ignoring whatever important thing you might be doing at this moment in time because at several moments in the past you postponed updates is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

nxc18 9y ago

The forced restart experience indicates that windows is quite capable of killing any process it wants to. Otherwise you could just run an app to block that feature. If you read Windows Internals you'll get some insight into how shutdown works. There are lots of things that want to do special work on shutdown, and windows gives them time. Consider, for example, if you have an unsaved document in word; windows won't shutdown until you save the document and close word or windows gets tired of waiting and prompts you to shut down anyway. This is configurable through the registry, btw. I'd say the n times you hit 'postpone' count as windows giving you your fair warning.

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stan_rogers 9y ago
And I'd say that saying "not now" n times gives Windows fair warning that now is not a good time.
wutbrodo 9y ago
> I'd say the n times you hit 'postpone' count as windows giving you your fair warning. I'm sorry, but this is absolutely and utterly insane. It's beyond idiotic to suggest that an arbitrary point hours or days in the future will magically be appropriate for your computer to shut down just because you passed over the chance to update at several unrelated times in the past. I agree that it was ill-advised for my roommate to skip the updates so consistently, but the idea that this means that it's You apparently only use your computer for Facebook games or something, but some of us (meaning like.....99.9% of computer users) use it for important things at least occasionally, and many use computers for things that are absolutely critical. The idea that Windows is justified in ignoring whatever important thing you might be doing at this moment in time because at several moments in the past you postponed updates is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard.