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Few institutes in India: C++ is taught before C; C++ is taught before explaining OOP; Teachers hardly have industry exposure. Lab exercises are so kiddish w

by amrrs 9y ago

Few institutes in India: C++ is taught before C; C++ is taught before explaining OOP; Teachers hardly have industry exposure. Lab exercises are so kiddish with practically no purpose - build a pyramid shape with asterisk. Complete mismatch between the way real-world software project is built and Final Year College Project is built. Students passionate about Computer Science are deprived of hacking it because you're supposed to do what's required for your lab assignments. Government is only interested in focusing, regulating and reforming big names like IITs which help them in PR while Private colleges with a huge inflow of students every year never have to kind about being right and do what students want. And the inflow is primarily because of the culture IT industry has set CS pays off well because of which students flock into this course with no understanding of what am I going to learn and why.

storgendibal 9y ago
I agree with all your points except the first two. There is absolutely no reason to teach C before C++. In fact, modern C++ is a very different animal from its C origins, and it's often better to teach the correct C++ idioms first, and then later go into detail on what happens under the hood. Similarly, C++ is not an OOP language. It's a multi paradigm language, and arguably the generic programming style is better suited to C++ 11 and 14, than the traditional, inheritance heavy OOP style that was in vogue in the 90s.
- a-nikolaev 9y ago
  I guess, the type of C++ taught there is the worst outdated kind of C++98 from a generic 20 y.o. text. You know, with the obligatory Circle class inheriting from Shape, all added on top of the traditional C control flow. With three vague paragraphs on the holy Encapsulation/Inheritance/Polymorphism trinity, ofc.
  - storgendibal 9y ago
    Indeed :) Although that is often the type of C++ taught here as well, and also used in industry at some top tier tech firms, unfortunately.
- agnivade 9y ago
  On the 2nd point - what OP wanted to say was that students are just forced to learn the language without really understanding why it is what they are doing. Teachers just try to finish the syllabus, and students just want to get marks. Nobody is bothered to explore the language, get involved in open-source projects, create something cool of their own.
  - storgendibal 9y ago
    Yep, that is true, and I agree. I found that applied to my math classes as well, unfortunately. It was not until I came to the US that I started to find the intellectual wonder in math (versus memorizing stuff). However, I was very fortunate to have some amazing physics teachers in high school in India, who taught from first principles, which was simply amazing.

by amrrs 9y ago

storgendibal 9y ago

I agree with all your points except the first two. There is absolutely no reason to teach C before C++. In fact, modern C++ is a very different animal from its C origins, and it's often better to teach the correct C++ idioms first, and then later go into detail on what happens under the hood. Similarly, C++ is not an OOP language. It's a multi paradigm language, and arguably the generic programming style is better suited to C++ 11 and 14, than the traditional, inheritance heavy OOP style that was in vogue in the 90s.

a-nikolaev 9y ago
I guess, the type of C++ taught there is the worst outdated kind of C++98 from a generic 20 y.o. text. You know, with the obligatory Circle class inheriting from Shape, all added on top of the traditional C control flow. With three vague paragraphs on the holy Encapsulation/Inheritance/Polymorphism trinity, ofc.
- storgendibal 9y ago
  Indeed :) Although that is often the type of C++ taught here as well, and also used in industry at some top tier tech firms, unfortunately.
agnivade 9y ago
On the 2nd point - what OP wanted to say was that students are just forced to learn the language without really understanding why it is what they are doing. Teachers just try to finish the syllabus, and students just want to get marks. Nobody is bothered to explore the language, get involved in open-source projects, create something cool of their own.
- storgendibal 9y ago
  Yep, that is true, and I agree. I found that applied to my math classes as well, unfortunately. It was not until I came to the US that I started to find the intellectual wonder in math (versus memorizing stuff). However, I was very fortunate to have some amazing physics teachers in high school in India, who taught from first principles, which was simply amazing.