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> "Deli Meeks, a 26-year-old forklift operator in Atlanta, said he doesn't mind Verizon accessing his data." I am perfectly fine with this. One of the biggest

> "Deli Meeks, a 26-year-old forklift operator in Atlanta, said he doesn't mind Verizon accessing his data." I am perfectly fine with this. One of the biggest issues people have had in recent years is the level of invasive practices companies have been using in the name of advertising. My current assumption is that yes, while it is a breach of privacy, the issue is that is was something I produced that I didn't get to have a say in being sold/used. I've been using Google Rewards for a while now, even recently broke the $100 mark. When I was a kid, I scoured the internet for sites that would pay me to take surveys. Some people obviously don't want their privacy invaded, and for that I definitely advocate for better privacy policies maintaining that. However, this 'data' that I am generating, I'm not doing anything with it. And companies WANT it. I am a producer, producing a good (data) that a consumer (companies) want. Getting back to my first paragraph, I am more upset I'm not being compensated for all this arbitrary data I'm generating that companies are taking from me for free. When companies offer these types of rewards, I'm fine with it. So what, they know how to tailor goods to me. I have enough discipline to recognize an ad. [For anyone pointing to people that cannot tell whats an ad, that's more an educating people issue and I'll argue another point like privacy policies]

eighthnate 9y ago
> "Deli Meeks, a 26-year-old forklift operator in Atlanta, said he doesn't mind Verizon accessing his data." That's his prerogative but I wonder whether he truly understands what he is giving up? He is giving up identifiable ISP data which can be sold. That means his future employers, dating interest and even family members can potentially get access to his data.
- tsumnia 9y ago
  That begins to pan more into the realm of maintaining a good online presence and why I advocate for stronger privacy policies. Online presence simply comes from educating people on what people can see and Privacy policies to dictate what I am willing to release for compensation. Finally, I'm willing to assume the data is somewhat sanitize to remove identifiable marks (again, that's a privacy policy issue). If we extend the idea of data to include anything - my GPS data from my phone, heart rate via Fitbit, viewing habits; this is all data that we generate. Going back to my producer analogy, image if I was using a "Water-As-A-Service" company (WaaS) to water land I own; mind you, I'm not a farmer, I simply own this 'thing'. Now assume that WaaS has been taking anything that the grows on that land (say 'wild strawberries') without paying me and then selling it for another profit. In this scenario, I'm upset as an individual because 1) I never gave permission to WaaS to take that product and 2) they are making money off of my hard work - they gave my a tool (water), but I did all the legwork to create the product. In the same light, change water to cellular connection and strawberries to activity. Right now, we freely give our product away for free, which turns back to the story. I am willing to be compensated for my data. I'd prefer a better compensation model than "3 Months of HBO GO Free", but I look at this as a positive step in the right direction. Furthermore, it could be used to incentive under represented statistical models. How a Caucasian male uses a system / service is probably a saturated market, but a Native American female model would be willing to pay more because that data is rarer. This can different for data point to data point, but now we're talking the economy of individual data and I'm not well versed enough in how that'd work. Ultimately, I've accepted that in the current era, my data is out there. All it takes is one bad data breach and the goes any anonymity I've worked towards maintaining. Even to take a more cynical approach, I know Big Brother is watching - its simply too easy to do so. Its not a "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument, I just accept it as a consequence if I want to live in a digital world. However, I don't blindly accept this as there's nothing I can do, 1984 Orwellian times, but as a capitalistic viewpoint. I produce something, now pay me if you want it.

eighthnate 9y ago

> "Deli Meeks, a 26-year-old forklift operator in Atlanta, said he doesn't mind Verizon accessing his data." That's his prerogative but I wonder whether he truly understands what he is giving up? He is giving up identifiable ISP data which can be sold. That means his future employers, dating interest and even family members can potentially get access to his data.

tsumnia 9y ago
That begins to pan more into the realm of maintaining a good online presence and why I advocate for stronger privacy policies. Online presence simply comes from educating people on what people can see and Privacy policies to dictate what I am willing to release for compensation. Finally, I'm willing to assume the data is somewhat sanitize to remove identifiable marks (again, that's a privacy policy issue). If we extend the idea of data to include anything - my GPS data from my phone, heart rate via Fitbit, viewing habits; this is all data that we generate. Going back to my producer analogy, image if I was using a "Water-As-A-Service" company (WaaS) to water land I own; mind you, I'm not a farmer, I simply own this 'thing'. Now assume that WaaS has been taking anything that the grows on that land (say 'wild strawberries') without paying me and then selling it for another profit. In this scenario, I'm upset as an individual because 1) I never gave permission to WaaS to take that product and 2) they are making money off of my hard work - they gave my a tool (water), but I did all the legwork to create the product. In the same light, change water to cellular connection and strawberries to activity. Right now, we freely give our product away for free, which turns back to the story. I am willing to be compensated for my data. I'd prefer a better compensation model than "3 Months of HBO GO Free", but I look at this as a positive step in the right direction. Furthermore, it could be used to incentive under represented statistical models. How a Caucasian male uses a system / service is probably a saturated market, but a Native American female model would be willing to pay more because that data is rarer. This can different for data point to data point, but now we're talking the economy of individual data and I'm not well versed enough in how that'd work. Ultimately, I've accepted that in the current era, my data is out there. All it takes is one bad data breach and the goes any anonymity I've worked towards maintaining. Even to take a more cynical approach, I know Big Brother is watching - its simply too easy to do so. Its not a "nothing to hide, nothing to fear" argument, I just accept it as a consequence if I want to live in a digital world. However, I don't blindly accept this as there's nothing I can do, 1984 Orwellian times, but as a capitalistic viewpoint. I produce something, now pay me if you want it.