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I'm not seeing hatred towards people for arguing over correct levels of import taxes Sure you are. You see someone vote for Trump and immediately assume it mus

I'm not seeing hatred towards people for arguing over correct levels of import taxes Sure you are. You see someone vote for Trump and immediately assume it must be because they're an evil, ethically flawed person who inexplicably hates love, sunshine and puppies, whereas perhaps they mostly care about taxes. You even did it in this post. Your thinking is knee jerk and shallow, and it's people like you that are causing the problems in the first place.

plandis 9y ago
How is it knee-jerk and shallow? If you voted for Trump you either directly support Trump's social policies or you don't think they were abhorrent enough to not vote for him.
- staticelf 9y ago
  Or maybe that the democratic economical policies were abhorrent enough to vote for Trump, despite his social policies?
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- peoplewindow 9y ago
  And everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton supported starting a war with Russia, a nuclear power? No? But that was her policy - the "no fly zone" that could only be implemented by shooting down Russian jets, or perhaps people have forgotten. In contrast Trump wanted to make peace with Russia. So maybe I can assume anyone who didn't vote Trump has a racist hatred of Russians.
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- lkbm 9y ago
  I'm not pro-life, but I feel like if I thought abortion was actually murder of babies, I think I'd probably hold my nose and vote for whoever had the best chance of ending that practice. (Though, I also believe that would be Clinton--banning abortion is less viable than proving effective sex ed, and probably not hugely more effective.) Similarly, if I had spent much time in Libya, I might consider holding my nose and voting for the candidate who didn't work hard to create that situation. (Again, I will grant that situation was going wrong without our involvement, but we're good at making things worse.) I voted for Clinton because I agree with most of her policies, and think she's immensely qualified, but I keep hearing "if you voted for Trump, that means you didn't consider his statements disqualifying" But it doesn't--it could just mean you think the other candidate had stuff that was more disqualifying. It's not absurd to consider bombing people worse than saying sexist and racist shit. It seems like a lot of Trump voters thought Trump's worst aspects were "just talk". There wasn't an option for "Clinton without the interventionism" on the ballot. Similarly, there's no "Trump without the sexism/racism" option. I will grant that most of them didn't have "Clinton bombed Libya" as their justification for their Trump vote. Abortion, though, I think is a real reason for a lot of religious people. I don't think my vote for Clinton should be taken to mean I'm okay with the positions she pushed for in North Africa and the Middle East, and that means also not declaring Trump voters were necessarily okay with his crap either.
  - Bartweiss 9y ago
    > Similarly, if I had spent much time in Libya, I might consider holding my nose and voting for the candidate who didn't work hard to create that situation. I have a friend who grew up in a country that was the subject of a rather messy US intervention back when he lived there. He's socially liberal on almost every level, but voted without hesitation for Trump. His explicit reasoning was that he found Trump less likely to start lasting, Iraq/Libya style interventions, and believed the death toll of such an action would outweigh literally everything else. There wasn't really much to argue there. It's not as though he considered Trump's comments acceptable, it's not like he didn't understand the importance of protections for trans people, he just saw everything else as smaller than tens (or hundreds) of thousands dead and millions displaced. I couldn't really disagree; honestly I'm frightened by the indifference of much of the left to our trail of destruction abroad. The only question dividing our votes was what decisions we expected Trump and Clinton to make on foreign wars. It really was the biggest issue going for both of us.
- ythn 9y ago
  I voted for Trump to raise the chances of getting a conservative supreme court justice assigned. They have more power than Trump anyway since they are in for life. Trump will be out in 3 years, but if we had voted Hillary we would have certainly gotten a liberal supreme court justice.
CalChris 9y ago
They're bringing drugs,' crime and are 'rapists'. knock the crap out of them …. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees You didn't vote for Trump over the correct level of import taxes.
- rufus_2 9y ago
  I voted for him because he told the truth about the massive problems with drugs, crime, and rape that we have in border states as well as his willingness to defend himself and his supporters from the violent Alt Left disruptors that plague his public events.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  But maybe you voted for him because you thought he's just purposefully saying stupid shit and none of that is serious, because you thought he won't get elected anyway, and this is a good way of expressing your disappointment with the US politics in general? Or maybe you didn't vote for, but voted against (I hear some studies say this is the primary way people vote, btw.)? Or maybe you had some other reason? I could invent plenty more. The point being, judging someone by the sole data point of their choice in the voting booth, without knowing reasons for it, is one of the most stupid kind of thinking imaginable. In fact, in less emotionally charged contexts, people generally don't show that kind of stupidity.
  - CalChris 9y ago
    judging someone by the sole data point of their choice in the voting booth, without knowing reasons for it, is one of the most stupid kind of thinking imaginable I'd call that holding them accountable and I only know how they voted because they told me. Also, I'd put hating people for the color of their skin, the sexuality, their religion, ... as much much stupider.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      > I'd call that holding them accountable You only get to do that after you understand their reasons, which you can then judge. > and I only know how they voted because they told me It doesn't work like that. People don't generally run around, telling everyone who they voted for. It usually comes up in conversations, where the person who divulges their choice don't expect to get hated for it. > Also, I'd put hating people for the color of their skin, the sexuality, their religion, ... as much much stupider. I agree with that (maybe not with the much much part, because to me it seems to be a similar kind of stupidity; different flavours of the same bug in thinking). This doesn't invalidate my point though. People should not do either of those things.
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yahna 9y ago
But they were willing to vote for trump despite all the other stuff.

plandis 9y ago

How is it knee-jerk and shallow? If you voted for Trump you either directly support Trump's social policies or you don't think they were abhorrent enough to not vote for him.

staticelf 9y ago
Or maybe that the democratic economical policies were abhorrent enough to vote for Trump, despite his social policies?
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peoplewindow 9y ago
And everyone who voted for Hillary Clinton supported starting a war with Russia, a nuclear power? No? But that was her policy - the "no fly zone" that could only be implemented by shooting down Russian jets, or perhaps people have forgotten. In contrast Trump wanted to make peace with Russia. So maybe I can assume anyone who didn't vote Trump has a racist hatred of Russians.
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lkbm 9y ago
I'm not pro-life, but I feel like if I thought abortion was actually murder of babies, I think I'd probably hold my nose and vote for whoever had the best chance of ending that practice. (Though, I also believe that would be Clinton--banning abortion is less viable than proving effective sex ed, and probably not hugely more effective.) Similarly, if I had spent much time in Libya, I might consider holding my nose and voting for the candidate who didn't work hard to create that situation. (Again, I will grant that situation was going wrong without our involvement, but we're good at making things worse.) I voted for Clinton because I agree with most of her policies, and think she's immensely qualified, but I keep hearing "if you voted for Trump, that means you didn't consider his statements disqualifying" But it doesn't--it could just mean you think the other candidate had stuff that was more disqualifying. It's not absurd to consider bombing people worse than saying sexist and racist shit. It seems like a lot of Trump voters thought Trump's worst aspects were "just talk". There wasn't an option for "Clinton without the interventionism" on the ballot. Similarly, there's no "Trump without the sexism/racism" option. I will grant that most of them didn't have "Clinton bombed Libya" as their justification for their Trump vote. Abortion, though, I think is a real reason for a lot of religious people. I don't think my vote for Clinton should be taken to mean I'm okay with the positions she pushed for in North Africa and the Middle East, and that means also not declaring Trump voters were necessarily okay with his crap either.
- Bartweiss 9y ago
  > Similarly, if I had spent much time in Libya, I might consider holding my nose and voting for the candidate who didn't work hard to create that situation. I have a friend who grew up in a country that was the subject of a rather messy US intervention back when he lived there. He's socially liberal on almost every level, but voted without hesitation for Trump. His explicit reasoning was that he found Trump less likely to start lasting, Iraq/Libya style interventions, and believed the death toll of such an action would outweigh literally everything else. There wasn't really much to argue there. It's not as though he considered Trump's comments acceptable, it's not like he didn't understand the importance of protections for trans people, he just saw everything else as smaller than tens (or hundreds) of thousands dead and millions displaced. I couldn't really disagree; honestly I'm frightened by the indifference of much of the left to our trail of destruction abroad. The only question dividing our votes was what decisions we expected Trump and Clinton to make on foreign wars. It really was the biggest issue going for both of us.
ythn 9y ago
I voted for Trump to raise the chances of getting a conservative supreme court justice assigned. They have more power than Trump anyway since they are in for life. Trump will be out in 3 years, but if we had voted Hillary we would have certainly gotten a liberal supreme court justice.

CalChris 9y ago

They're bringing drugs,' crime and are 'rapists'. knock the crap out of them …. I promise you, I will pay for the legal fees You didn't vote for Trump over the correct level of import taxes.

rufus_2 9y ago
I voted for him because he told the truth about the massive problems with drugs, crime, and rape that we have in border states as well as his willingness to defend himself and his supporters from the violent Alt Left disruptors that plague his public events.
TeMPOraL 9y ago
But maybe you voted for him because you thought he's just purposefully saying stupid shit and none of that is serious, because you thought he won't get elected anyway, and this is a good way of expressing your disappointment with the US politics in general? Or maybe you didn't vote for, but voted against (I hear some studies say this is the primary way people vote, btw.)? Or maybe you had some other reason? I could invent plenty more. The point being, judging someone by the sole data point of their choice in the voting booth, without knowing reasons for it, is one of the most stupid kind of thinking imaginable. In fact, in less emotionally charged contexts, people generally don't show that kind of stupidity.
- CalChris 9y ago
  judging someone by the sole data point of their choice in the voting booth, without knowing reasons for it, is one of the most stupid kind of thinking imaginable I'd call that holding them accountable and I only know how they voted because they told me. Also, I'd put hating people for the color of their skin, the sexuality, their religion, ... as much much stupider.
  - TeMPOraL 9y ago
    > I'd call that holding them accountable You only get to do that after you understand their reasons, which you can then judge. > and I only know how they voted because they told me It doesn't work like that. People don't generally run around, telling everyone who they voted for. It usually comes up in conversations, where the person who divulges their choice don't expect to get hated for it. > Also, I'd put hating people for the color of their skin, the sexuality, their religion, ... as much much stupider. I agree with that (maybe not with the much much part, because to me it seems to be a similar kind of stupidity; different flavours of the same bug in thinking). This doesn't invalidate my point though. People should not do either of those things.

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yahna 9y ago

But they were willing to vote for trump despite all the other stuff.