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I find a lot of irony here. First of all, you are associating conservative beliefs with the trades. That's exactly the sort of thing that is being brought up h

I find a lot of irony here. First of all, you are associating conservative beliefs with the trades. That's exactly the sort of thing that is being brought up here - you're effectively saying that the left claims white collar jobs, particularly those in tech, and that anyone who doesn't fit that mold shouldn't even bother. Secondly, you're implying that welding is a lower-status field. Nothing could be further from the truth - of the two people that I know that became welders after high school, one is now an underwater welder working on offshore oil platforms and the other has specialized in heavy industrial stuff. Both of them make more than any developer I know, including myself. > Aren't these the same sort that will moan ceaselessly about the ludicrousness of "safe spaces" and "snowflakes"? One of the distinguishing characteristics of those on the right is the importance of equal application of the rules.

classybull 9y ago
I don't think I implied that at all. If you felt that way, you might be revealing your own cognitive biases. I don't think any form of labor is morally superior to anything else, mainly because I disagree with the whole concept of the labor system in general, but I disgress. My point was that you can't denigrate people asking to share their opinion peacefully and without verbal assault, ie a "safe space", while simultaneously complaining that your viewpoints aren't allowed to be shared peacefully and without verbal assault. Which, btw, I believe is a load of bull. I've been party to multitudes of political conversations in the workplace and a negligibly tiny percentage of them have I seen actually get out of control. You may feel that your viewpoints aren't aligned with the culture, but that's my entire point. You have no reasonable expectation to force the culture to do anything, leading back to my point of I wouldn't go to to work at, say, an oil rig with the expectation of my political culture aligning with theirs. And before you begin, I'm not saying anything against people who work on rigs. I am saying that there is evidence that it overall is a right leaning culture.

classybull 9y ago

I don't think I implied that at all. If you felt that way, you might be revealing your own cognitive biases. I don't think any form of labor is morally superior to anything else, mainly because I disagree with the whole concept of the labor system in general, but I disgress. My point was that you can't denigrate people asking to share their opinion peacefully and without verbal assault, ie a "safe space", while simultaneously complaining that your viewpoints aren't allowed to be shared peacefully and without verbal assault. Which, btw, I believe is a load of bull. I've been party to multitudes of political conversations in the workplace and a negligibly tiny percentage of them have I seen actually get out of control. You may feel that your viewpoints aren't aligned with the culture, but that's my entire point. You have no reasonable expectation to force the culture to do anything, leading back to my point of I wouldn't go to to work at, say, an oil rig with the expectation of my political culture aligning with theirs. And before you begin, I'm not saying anything against people who work on rigs. I am saying that there is evidence that it overall is a right leaning culture.