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> Oracle routinely sues its own employees. For what?

by smegel 9y ago

saghm 9y ago
For winning arbitration (the company-mandated way to solve disputes) against them, for instance: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/oracle_sues_employee_undo_arbitration_loss/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/oracle_sues_employe...
- geofft 9y ago
  Oh wow, and then they lost that petition in court. https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/08/22/oracle_wilson_decision.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/08/22/oracle_wilson_decision.pdf I can't imagine this was a good use of the company's lawyers' time (although it was probably good from the lawyers' perspective).
  - quuquuquu 9y ago
    Larry has so much money and so many lawyers, this is his way of reassuring himself that his legal team isn't just lazing around. "get out there and dig in the dumpster for gold nuggets!"
- quuquuquu 9y ago
  In addition, Svetlana Blackburn was literally fired for refusing her managers' orders to cook the books on Oracle's cloud revenue. Management orders her to cook the books, at a public company!! She's fired, she sues. Oracle counter sues. How is this ethical?
jessaustin 9y ago
For posting the dirty laundry anonymously on HN?
- quuquuquu 9y ago
  >anonymously With enough effort, I'm certain someone could out me. I'm not protecting my connection or device ID in any way. >dirty laundry All of the things I've cited about Oracle are public knowledge. If an employee of Monsanto says that RoundUp causes cancer, is that dirty laundry, or stating a scientifically proven fact?
  - 0xbear 9y ago
    It's not a "scientifically proven fact".
    - xenophonf 9y ago
      0xbear, it helps to cite the relevant scientific research: http://www.who.int/foodsafety/jmprsummary2016.pdf?ua=1 http://www.who.int/foodsafety/jmprsummary2016.pdf?ua=1 https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/iarcnews/pdf/MonographVolume112.pdf https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/iarcnews/pdf/MonographVo... The short version is that glyphosate is unlikely to cause cancer in consumers or farm workers: https://www.wired.com/2016/05/monsantos-roundup-herbicide-cause-cancer-not-controversy-explained/ https://www.wired.com/2016/05/monsantos-roundup-herbicide-ca...
      - quuquuquu 9y ago
        Why is there a class action lawsuit on TV telling me that people who are exposed to it have higher rates of cancer?
        dmoy 9y ago
        Because, like Oracle lawyers coincidentally enough, they're probably fishing for a settlement.
        0xbear 9y ago
        Protip: don't believe everything you see on TV.
oraguy 9y ago
I am sure there are many stories where Oracle sues its employees. Take a look at this one for example. * http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story//articleshow/21355000.cms http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story/... * http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/i-have-no-regrets/article2921919.ece http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnatak... TL;DR - An employee found fire safety violations in one of its Bangalore offices. He reported the violations internally. Nobody addressed the violations. He reported the violations to the cops. Oracle sacked and sued the employee.
- quuquuquu 9y ago
  Pitiful. Oracle India was even worse than Oracle. I truly feel terribly for the exploited workes there. You all had it way way worse than us.
  - samoright 9y ago
    Can you share some anecdotes that make you think that Oracle India had it way way worse than the Oracle US counterparts?
    - quuquuquu 9y ago
      Not sure why you are being down voted. It is worth knowing. Besides the poor hours of course, I can remember the following: 1) Unpaid overtime. 2) Spiteful, political management. 3) Revolving door of employees due to firings. 4) Replacements were not trained, so nobody was set up for success and growth. These are just things I remember experiencing second or third-hand, but so much of the grunt work and broken processes flowed to my counterparts in Oracle India. Their reward for trying to make sense of everything was being fired, regardless of performance. Oracle US employees were usually spared a few years of runway until being laid off, regardless of performance.

> Oracle routinely sues its own employees. For what?

by smegel 9y ago

> Oracle routinely sues its own employees. For what?

For winning arbitration (the company-mandated way to solve disputes) against them, for instance: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/oracle_sues_employee_undo_arbitration_loss/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/26/oracle_sues_employe...

geofft 9y ago
Oh wow, and then they lost that petition in court. https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/08/22/oracle_wilson_decision.pdf https://regmedia.co.uk/2017/08/22/oracle_wilson_decision.pdf I can't imagine this was a good use of the company's lawyers' time (although it was probably good from the lawyers' perspective).
- quuquuquu 9y ago
  Larry has so much money and so many lawyers, this is his way of reassuring himself that his legal team isn't just lazing around. "get out there and dig in the dumpster for gold nuggets!"
quuquuquu 9y ago
In addition, Svetlana Blackburn was literally fired for refusing her managers' orders to cook the books on Oracle's cloud revenue. Management orders her to cook the books, at a public company!! She's fired, she sues. Oracle counter sues. How is this ethical?

jessaustin 9y ago

For posting the dirty laundry anonymously on HN?

quuquuquu 9y ago
>anonymously With enough effort, I'm certain someone could out me. I'm not protecting my connection or device ID in any way. >dirty laundry All of the things I've cited about Oracle are public knowledge. If an employee of Monsanto says that RoundUp causes cancer, is that dirty laundry, or stating a scientifically proven fact?
- 0xbear 9y ago
  It's not a "scientifically proven fact".
  - xenophonf 9y ago
    0xbear, it helps to cite the relevant scientific research: http://www.who.int/foodsafety/jmprsummary2016.pdf?ua=1 http://www.who.int/foodsafety/jmprsummary2016.pdf?ua=1 https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/iarcnews/pdf/MonographVolume112.pdf https://www.iarc.fr/en/media-centre/iarcnews/pdf/MonographVo... The short version is that glyphosate is unlikely to cause cancer in consumers or farm workers: https://www.wired.com/2016/05/monsantos-roundup-herbicide-cause-cancer-not-controversy-explained/ https://www.wired.com/2016/05/monsantos-roundup-herbicide-ca...
    - quuquuquu 9y ago
      Why is there a class action lawsuit on TV telling me that people who are exposed to it have higher rates of cancer?
      - dmoy 9y ago
        Because, like Oracle lawyers coincidentally enough, they're probably fishing for a settlement.
      - 0xbear 9y ago
        Protip: don't believe everything you see on TV.

oraguy 9y ago

I am sure there are many stories where Oracle sues its employees. Take a look at this one for example. * http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story//articleshow/21355000.cms http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.com/bangalore/cover-story/... * http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnataka/i-have-no-regrets/article2921919.ece http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-karnatak... TL;DR - An employee found fire safety violations in one of its Bangalore offices. He reported the violations internally. Nobody addressed the violations. He reported the violations to the cops. Oracle sacked and sued the employee.

quuquuquu 9y ago
Pitiful. Oracle India was even worse than Oracle. I truly feel terribly for the exploited workes there. You all had it way way worse than us.
- samoright 9y ago
  Can you share some anecdotes that make you think that Oracle India had it way way worse than the Oracle US counterparts?
  - quuquuquu 9y ago
    Not sure why you are being down voted. It is worth knowing. Besides the poor hours of course, I can remember the following: 1) Unpaid overtime. 2) Spiteful, political management. 3) Revolving door of employees due to firings. 4) Replacements were not trained, so nobody was set up for success and growth. These are just things I remember experiencing second or third-hand, but so much of the grunt work and broken processes flowed to my counterparts in Oracle India. Their reward for trying to make sense of everything was being fired, regardless of performance. Oracle US employees were usually spared a few years of runway until being laid off, regardless of performance.