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Honestly, I think the future is going to be iOS and Android for consumption of media and basic tasks, consoles for gaming, and Linux for development. Apple and

Honestly, I think the future is going to be iOS and Android for consumption of media and basic tasks, consoles for gaming, and Linux for development. Apple and MS both ruining the desktop.

q845712 9y ago
Don't underestimate the number of desktops used in business enterprises. I'm currently developing a product in a Windows environment. We're trapped in Windows for historical reasons- the first draft of the codebase 10 years ago was for Windows, and even just a few years later there was already too much momentum for the guys who tried to do a *nix port to make any headway. I've been in meetings with business partners where we pushed for an upgrade to Win10, only to hear that they're so risk-averse to upgrading that some of their systems are still XP. I do agree desktop OS feels like a race to the bottom- I can't believe, given the resources available on modern hardware, that windows 2000 remains my favorite MS OS, with both win7 and 10 unable to replicate its stability and core competency of being good at just running what I asked it to run. However, I think offices and commercial applications are going to continue to lean heavily on desktop OS-es for decades to come.
- orf 9y ago
  > they're so risk-averse to upgrading that some of their systems are still XP. I'd say that's risk ignorant rather than risk adverse. I hope those XP systems are tightly locked away with no network access of any kind, but I doubt they are.
  - sixothree 9y ago
    I've heard first-hand accounts of hospitals running XP as recently as a few months ago.
LeoPanthera 9y ago
Apple are ruining the desktop? What did they do?
- nxc18 9y ago
  Its not exactly like macOS has been a pinnacle of stability lately. The number of issues I have with the various macOS devices I interact with has been about the same as for the Windows devices I interact with. That might seem ok, but its a massive failure if you consider the reputation macOS and Windows had just a few years ago. When people complain about Windows 10 its because of things it does really well (spying on you, forcing updates); its failures are product failures, not technical failures. Apple's hardware still seems to be much more reliable than Microsoft's hardware of late, but that is its own can of worms.
  - jchb 9y ago
    Could you go more into the specifics of the stability problems you have experienced with macOS as of lately? In my experience the latest versions of macOS have been more stable than ever. My MacBook Pro from 2013 came with OS X 10.9 Mavericks installed, and with that OS version I would get an occasional kernel panic. With macOS Sierra, and before that with El Capitan, I haven't experienced a single OS (or Finder for that matter) crash for over two years. I only need to restart the computer for updates once every few months. I could go on and on.. Are Apple products perfect? No not at all, Xcode crashes once per day, I've seen people having glitches with the Touch Bar etc. But the base system? Stable as a rock. So what's going on with your system?
    - gonewest 9y ago
      Well, for instance, for roughly a year on my Macbook (2014 Retina 13"). It gets in a state where the keyboard and trackpad are unresponsive but the laptop is clearly still running. USB devices are probably hosed too, because attaching an external keyboard at this point doesn't help either. Started with El Capitan, continues with Sierra, and Apple support finds all hardware diagnostics are okay. My only recourse is to power cycle the laptop. Another example, once or twice a week when waking up from sleep the wifi adapter doesn't reattach, and hovering over the wifi status in the menu bar yields a beach ball. My only recourse is to power cycle the laptop. About a year ago my Plantronics bluetooth headset stopped reliably pairing, or rather it does pair, but the audio quality is so horrible I gave up and went back to wired earbuds. So yes, far from perfect. I would say the product team has been distracted with convenience frills like Handoff, AirDrop, auto-unlock via Apple Watch, and so on, when what I would prefer is reliable sleep/wake and i/o devices that work every time. Nonetheless, this is still leaps and bounds ahead of the Windows 7 laptop the corporate office insists I use. And it's a reputable brand and everything, and not a fluke (they've swapped out the laptop multiple times but every one has some fatal flaw.)
FooHentai 9y ago
>consoles for gaming Over my cold dead body, matey.

Honestly, I think the future is going to be iOS and Android for consumption of media and basic tasks, consoles for gaming, and Linux for development. Apple and MS both ruining the desktop.

q845712 9y ago

Don't underestimate the number of desktops used in business enterprises. I'm currently developing a product in a Windows environment. We're trapped in Windows for historical reasons- the first draft of the codebase 10 years ago was for Windows, and even just a few years later there was already too much momentum for the guys who tried to do a *nix port to make any headway. I've been in meetings with business partners where we pushed for an upgrade to Win10, only to hear that they're so risk-averse to upgrading that some of their systems are still XP. I do agree desktop OS feels like a race to the bottom- I can't believe, given the resources available on modern hardware, that windows 2000 remains my favorite MS OS, with both win7 and 10 unable to replicate its stability and core competency of being good at just running what I asked it to run. However, I think offices and commercial applications are going to continue to lean heavily on desktop OS-es for decades to come.

orf 9y ago
> they're so risk-averse to upgrading that some of their systems are still XP. I'd say that's risk ignorant rather than risk adverse. I hope those XP systems are tightly locked away with no network access of any kind, but I doubt they are.
- sixothree 9y ago
  I've heard first-hand accounts of hospitals running XP as recently as a few months ago.

LeoPanthera 9y ago

Apple are ruining the desktop? What did they do?

nxc18 9y ago
Its not exactly like macOS has been a pinnacle of stability lately. The number of issues I have with the various macOS devices I interact with has been about the same as for the Windows devices I interact with. That might seem ok, but its a massive failure if you consider the reputation macOS and Windows had just a few years ago. When people complain about Windows 10 its because of things it does really well (spying on you, forcing updates); its failures are product failures, not technical failures. Apple's hardware still seems to be much more reliable than Microsoft's hardware of late, but that is its own can of worms.
- jchb 9y ago
  Could you go more into the specifics of the stability problems you have experienced with macOS as of lately? In my experience the latest versions of macOS have been more stable than ever. My MacBook Pro from 2013 came with OS X 10.9 Mavericks installed, and with that OS version I would get an occasional kernel panic. With macOS Sierra, and before that with El Capitan, I haven't experienced a single OS (or Finder for that matter) crash for over two years. I only need to restart the computer for updates once every few months. I could go on and on.. Are Apple products perfect? No not at all, Xcode crashes once per day, I've seen people having glitches with the Touch Bar etc. But the base system? Stable as a rock. So what's going on with your system?
  - gonewest 9y ago
    Well, for instance, for roughly a year on my Macbook (2014 Retina 13"). It gets in a state where the keyboard and trackpad are unresponsive but the laptop is clearly still running. USB devices are probably hosed too, because attaching an external keyboard at this point doesn't help either. Started with El Capitan, continues with Sierra, and Apple support finds all hardware diagnostics are okay. My only recourse is to power cycle the laptop. Another example, once or twice a week when waking up from sleep the wifi adapter doesn't reattach, and hovering over the wifi status in the menu bar yields a beach ball. My only recourse is to power cycle the laptop. About a year ago my Plantronics bluetooth headset stopped reliably pairing, or rather it does pair, but the audio quality is so horrible I gave up and went back to wired earbuds. So yes, far from perfect. I would say the product team has been distracted with convenience frills like Handoff, AirDrop, auto-unlock via Apple Watch, and so on, when what I would prefer is reliable sleep/wake and i/o devices that work every time. Nonetheless, this is still leaps and bounds ahead of the Windows 7 laptop the corporate office insists I use. And it's a reputable brand and everything, and not a fluke (they've swapped out the laptop multiple times but every one has some fatal flaw.)

FooHentai 9y ago

>consoles for gaming Over my cold dead body, matey.