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Never understood why they loved it. Is it just so they can say "not my fault, our project is only using big name frameworks, DBs, etc so I did all I could?" O

Never understood why they loved it. Is it just so they can say "not my fault, our project is only using big name frameworks, DBs, etc so I did all I could?" Or is it because they don't even begin to understand what's going on in the tech scene and just buy what appears to be the most shiny, expensive solutions?

rbanffy 9y ago
> Never understood why they loved it. Expensive parties, gifts etc
- nailer 9y ago
  I've had an enterprise vendor offer to drop money into my personal account to make sales. Not naming them, but the sad thing is they actually did have the best product in their space by a long shot. The ones who sucked were probably even better at bribes.
  - pm90 9y ago
    That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. I would advise you to not make this information public or at least public under an account that can be traced back to you.
    - rl3 9y ago
      Why should he care? He didn't say he accepted the bribe, merely that it was offered.
      - fma 9y ago
        My company requires we need to report that stuff. Also need to take a training every year on what you can accept and what you can't.
        rl3 9y ago
        Perhaps it was reported. He didn't specify either way, possibly for good reason.
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    - icelancer 9y ago
      >>That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. It is. It happens all the time. I get similar offers regularly in my growing startup. It's usually couched better than that, but it's not rare.
    - nailer 9y ago
      I'm aware of this, that's why I mentioned it. I didn't accept the bribe and am happy for this to be published under my real name.
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  - rbanffy 9y ago
    I have seen a high-profile CTO dismissed for just cause because he accepted an invitation to speak at a vendor conference in Paris. When hired, we signed a very strict code of conduct document that prevented us from accepting any valuable gifts from vendors. A vendor once sent me a mug. I had to open the box in front of a witness.
ternaryoperator 9y ago
Support is one reason. If your database goes down, they'll send a team of engineers to figure out what's wrong. If they have to, they'll bring in hardware to duplicate your systems, and have engineers working on it 7x24 until they find out what's wrong. Not many vendors can provide that level of service, and if your business requires it, you're willing to pay for it.
- surge 9y ago
  The funny part is IME, their support sucks, at least compared to another big vendor like IBM.
bigiain 9y ago
Great salespeople. Like _really_ good. (Often borderline or unequivocally evil... As other comments in this thread show.)
- stesch 9y ago
  I was once in a meeting on site. The task was to get some data from an AS/400 to a Linux server and display it on a website. Text files would have been enough to cache the data. But you never know how a project can change over time so I proposed PostgreSQL or IBM DB/2. The latter in case they absolutely wanted to pay for a database and they are already using an IBM AS/400. (We were using PostgreSQL and Informix.) At the meeting they said they have already bought a license for an Oracle DB. Without consulting us. So we were forced to use it without prior experience.

rbanffy 9y ago

> Never understood why they loved it. Expensive parties, gifts etc

nailer 9y ago
I've had an enterprise vendor offer to drop money into my personal account to make sales. Not naming them, but the sad thing is they actually did have the best product in their space by a long shot. The ones who sucked were probably even better at bribes.
- pm90 9y ago
  That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. I would advise you to not make this information public or at least public under an account that can be traced back to you.
  - rl3 9y ago
    Why should he care? He didn't say he accepted the bribe, merely that it was offered.
    - fma 9y ago
      My company requires we need to report that stuff. Also need to take a training every year on what you can accept and what you can't.
      - rl3 9y ago
        Perhaps it was reported. He didn't specify either way, possibly for good reason.
    - deleted 9y ago
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  - icelancer 9y ago
    >>That sounds like the definition of a bribe, which is a crime. It is. It happens all the time. I get similar offers regularly in my growing startup. It's usually couched better than that, but it's not rare.
  - nailer 9y ago
    I'm aware of this, that's why I mentioned it. I didn't accept the bribe and am happy for this to be published under my real name.
- deleted 9y ago
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- rbanffy 9y ago
  I have seen a high-profile CTO dismissed for just cause because he accepted an invitation to speak at a vendor conference in Paris. When hired, we signed a very strict code of conduct document that prevented us from accepting any valuable gifts from vendors. A vendor once sent me a mug. I had to open the box in front of a witness.

ternaryoperator 9y ago

Support is one reason. If your database goes down, they'll send a team of engineers to figure out what's wrong. If they have to, they'll bring in hardware to duplicate your systems, and have engineers working on it 7x24 until they find out what's wrong. Not many vendors can provide that level of service, and if your business requires it, you're willing to pay for it.

surge 9y ago
The funny part is IME, their support sucks, at least compared to another big vendor like IBM.

bigiain 9y ago

Great salespeople. Like _really_ good. (Often borderline or unequivocally evil... As other comments in this thread show.)

stesch 9y ago
I was once in a meeting on site. The task was to get some data from an AS/400 to a Linux server and display it on a website. Text files would have been enough to cache the data. But you never know how a project can change over time so I proposed PostgreSQL or IBM DB/2. The latter in case they absolutely wanted to pay for a database and they are already using an IBM AS/400. (We were using PostgreSQL and Informix.) At the meeting they said they have already bought a license for an Oracle DB. Without consulting us. So we were forced to use it without prior experience.