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> My vision for an ideal modem is more like a dumb Ethernet to coax/fiber/etc. adapter You'd like Europe then. You know where we have competing ISPs and this

> My vision for an ideal modem is more like a dumb Ethernet to coax/fiber/etc. adapter You'd like Europe then. You know where we have competing ISPs and this is the standard.

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hedora 9y ago
In fairness, comcast (big US ISP) allows you to buy your own cable modem. However, they are terrible for multiple other reasons that would not fly in Europe (data caps, lobbying to resell browsing history, opaque pricing schemes, etc)
- simonh 9y ago
  But at least they have the freedom to do so, unlike Europe where their right to screw over their customers is unfairly infringed.
  - skummetmaelk 9y ago
    Sarcasm?
    - simonh 9y ago
      Is it though? Freedom and regulatory overreach arguments are being used right now, with a straight face, to eliminate net neutrality rules that prohibit ISPs from screwing over their customers. Is it really sarcasm if it's actually happening?
      - skummetmaelk 9y ago
        That's why I ask. I legitimately cannot tell because people actually think this.
- amluto 9y ago
  By which you mean that Comcast will let you buy an approved device to which (I believe) they fully control by design.
  - posguy 9y ago
    Pretty much, Cable Modem Hacking is extremely uncommon and even an owned modem is out of your control. Look at all the Intel PUMA cable modems with bufferbloat issues where the cable ISP refuses to update said modem to fix the software bug causing bufferbloat.
  - trapperkeeper74 9y ago
    DOCSIS modems are a standard, but cable companies often get to manage them with their firmware and/or settings.
- insulanus 9y ago
  Deep packet inspection, network throttling based on traffic type, ... Sources: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/12/comcast-throws-16-million-at-p2p-throttling-settlement/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/12/comcast-throws-1... https://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-formally-rules-comcasts-throttling-of-bittorrent-was-illegal/ https://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-formally-rules-comcasts-thrott...
- mrbill 9y ago
  Not if you're on a Comcast Business plan with static IPs; you're limited to what they'll give you, even though people have shown that their static IP-setup works with customer provided gear.
  - kbenson 9y ago
    Well, there are some reasons for this, such as making sure the equipment is good and can easily be checked on/configured by support to meet service level guarantees (which are a thing with some business contracts). It's just not a very good reason.
milankragujevic 9y ago
I don't know, my friends from Croatia would disagree, as would I, but I'm not in the EU, only in Europe (Serbia), you get a black box modem/router from the provider which they can access in any way, and it has open Telnet and HTTP admin with credentials like "admin/ztonpk; admin/tzlkisonpk; admin/telekom; telekom/telekom; and let's not forget admin/admin"... I think this is just in large EU countries that you don't get shitty modems full of security holes... But I'm not even sure of that anymore...
ferongr 9y ago
Europe is not a country. The only FTTH provider in Athens gives you a locked-down Huawei GPON modem/router where you can't even enable bridge mode to bypass its routing/NAT

> My vision for an ideal modem is more like a dumb Ethernet to coax/fiber/etc. adapter You'd like Europe then. You know where we have competing ISPs and this is the standard.

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hedora 9y ago

In fairness, comcast (big US ISP) allows you to buy your own cable modem. However, they are terrible for multiple other reasons that would not fly in Europe (data caps, lobbying to resell browsing history, opaque pricing schemes, etc)

simonh 9y ago
But at least they have the freedom to do so, unlike Europe where their right to screw over their customers is unfairly infringed.
- skummetmaelk 9y ago
  Sarcasm?
  - simonh 9y ago
    Is it though? Freedom and regulatory overreach arguments are being used right now, with a straight face, to eliminate net neutrality rules that prohibit ISPs from screwing over their customers. Is it really sarcasm if it's actually happening?
    - skummetmaelk 9y ago
      That's why I ask. I legitimately cannot tell because people actually think this.
amluto 9y ago
By which you mean that Comcast will let you buy an approved device to which (I believe) they fully control by design.
- posguy 9y ago
  Pretty much, Cable Modem Hacking is extremely uncommon and even an owned modem is out of your control. Look at all the Intel PUMA cable modems with bufferbloat issues where the cable ISP refuses to update said modem to fix the software bug causing bufferbloat.
- trapperkeeper74 9y ago
  DOCSIS modems are a standard, but cable companies often get to manage them with their firmware and/or settings.
insulanus 9y ago
Deep packet inspection, network throttling based on traffic type, ... Sources: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/12/comcast-throws-16-million-at-p2p-throttling-settlement/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2009/12/comcast-throws-1... https://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-formally-rules-comcasts-throttling-of-bittorrent-was-illegal/ https://www.cnet.com/news/fcc-formally-rules-comcasts-thrott...
mrbill 9y ago
Not if you're on a Comcast Business plan with static IPs; you're limited to what they'll give you, even though people have shown that their static IP-setup works with customer provided gear.
- kbenson 9y ago
  Well, there are some reasons for this, such as making sure the equipment is good and can easily be checked on/configured by support to meet service level guarantees (which are a thing with some business contracts). It's just not a very good reason.

milankragujevic 9y ago

I don't know, my friends from Croatia would disagree, as would I, but I'm not in the EU, only in Europe (Serbia), you get a black box modem/router from the provider which they can access in any way, and it has open Telnet and HTTP admin with credentials like "admin/ztonpk; admin/tzlkisonpk; admin/telekom; telekom/telekom; and let's not forget admin/admin"... I think this is just in large EU countries that you don't get shitty modems full of security holes... But I'm not even sure of that anymore...

ferongr 9y ago

Europe is not a country. The only FTTH provider in Athens gives you a locked-down Huawei GPON modem/router where you can't even enable bridge mode to bypass its routing/NAT