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> I find it hard to believe someone loving live animals would put them in such a place. I read the parent post as a statement on production and media represent

> I find it hard to believe someone loving live animals would put them in such a place. I read the parent post as a statement on production and media representation. I didn't see any claim about farmers loving animals. I'm sure many do, but your argument is addressing something different. I love animals. I eat meat. I want humane treatment of animals when they are bred for consumption. I know this is frequently not the case. But this is a different cause than what parent post addresses (aside from the 'decades old' bit about photos, which I am not qualified to address as someone outside the Netherlands).

usaphp 9y ago
> large part of our country thinks that our farmers are incompetent, stupid, nature-hating animal bashers
- spiderfarmer 9y ago
  Animal bashing is not something farmers do.
  - codefined 9y ago
    Most farmers do literally bash the animals before slaughtering them[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol
    - spiderfarmer 9y ago
      I am talking about Dutch farmers. This is exactly what I mean. For example, early this year Dutch farmers had to explain themselves for something that happened in a Belgian slaughterhouse. Do you like it when your mother blames you for bugs in her printer's Windows driver?
      - NicoJuicy 9y ago
        What did the Netherlands had to do with this? The only thing I know is that done Dutch people sold illegal medecine to Belgian farmers and the Dutch were informed, but didn't alert Belgium That's what they had to explain, because it endangered the did supply
        jorams 9y ago
        You are talking about different things. What spiderfarmer is talking about is a scandal in a Belgian slaughterhouse, where animals were being abused. This was filmed[1] by an animal rights organization, sparking outrage. What you are talking about is the Fipronil scandal[2]. A Belgian company, Poultry-Vision, bought Fipronil from Romania and mixed it with DEGA-16. A Dutch company, Chickfriend, bought the mixture and knowingly used it to clean hundreds of farms. [1]: Warning, shocking imagery: https://vimeo.com/209349326 https://vimeo.com/209349326 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fipronil_eggs_contamination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fipronil_eggs_contaminati...
        NicoJuicy 9y ago
        But what did (1) had to do with the Netherlands? (2) was the only link I knew, so I was aware that I probably talked about something else. If I'm not mistaking, Poultry Vision didn't deliver to farms in the food sector, while Chickfriend did ( chicken farms) -> illegal
        spiderfarmer 9y ago
        (1) Nothing. But that doesn't stop activists from bashing Dutch farmers: https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/de-vee-industrie-is-de-grote-blinde-vlek-van-ons-land~a4479261/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/de-vee-industrie-is-de-grot...
spiderfarmer 9y ago
This is exactly what happens in our media. All facts are useless because the farmer doesn't put same value on an animal's life as the hipster from the city who has distanced himself from nature more than humans should.

usaphp 9y ago

> large part of our country thinks that our farmers are incompetent, stupid, nature-hating animal bashers

spiderfarmer 9y ago
Animal bashing is not something farmers do.
- codefined 9y ago
  Most farmers do literally bash the animals before slaughtering them[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captive_bolt_pistol
  - spiderfarmer 9y ago
    I am talking about Dutch farmers. This is exactly what I mean. For example, early this year Dutch farmers had to explain themselves for something that happened in a Belgian slaughterhouse. Do you like it when your mother blames you for bugs in her printer's Windows driver?
    - NicoJuicy 9y ago
      What did the Netherlands had to do with this? The only thing I know is that done Dutch people sold illegal medecine to Belgian farmers and the Dutch were informed, but didn't alert Belgium That's what they had to explain, because it endangered the did supply
      - jorams 9y ago
        You are talking about different things. What spiderfarmer is talking about is a scandal in a Belgian slaughterhouse, where animals were being abused. This was filmed[1] by an animal rights organization, sparking outrage. What you are talking about is the Fipronil scandal[2]. A Belgian company, Poultry-Vision, bought Fipronil from Romania and mixed it with DEGA-16. A Dutch company, Chickfriend, bought the mixture and knowingly used it to clean hundreds of farms. [1]: Warning, shocking imagery: https://vimeo.com/209349326 https://vimeo.com/209349326 [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fipronil_eggs_contamination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Fipronil_eggs_contaminati...
        NicoJuicy 9y ago
        But what did (1) had to do with the Netherlands? (2) was the only link I knew, so I was aware that I probably talked about something else. If I'm not mistaking, Poultry Vision didn't deliver to farms in the food sector, while Chickfriend did ( chicken farms) -> illegal
        spiderfarmer 9y ago
        (1) Nothing. But that doesn't stop activists from bashing Dutch farmers: https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/de-vee-industrie-is-de-grote-blinde-vlek-van-ons-land~a4479261/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/opinie/de-vee-industrie-is-de-grot...

spiderfarmer 9y ago

This is exactly what happens in our media. All facts are useless because the farmer doesn't put same value on an animal's life as the hipster from the city who has distanced himself from nature more than humans should.