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You lived in a country that was under Party rule of an emulation of a Marxist-Leninist vanguard state which operated on the functions of private property, money

You lived in a country that was under Party rule of an emulation of a Marxist-Leninist vanguard state which operated on the functions of private property, money and was clearly a class society, I'm guessing, unless you lived in revolutionary Catalonia. I am currently living in a country that's still under capitalism and I'm experiencing how bad it is right now.

janus28 9y ago
Explain to me how bad it is and compare it with statistics on poverty from the best communist country you can find me.
- etplayer 9y ago
  Just to take you up on this, I do not think that Cuba is a Communist country, but it reports very highly on poverty and especially in comparison to other countries in South America. >Despite this, the poverty level reported by the government is one of the lowest in the developing world, ranking 6th out of 108 countries, 4th in Latin America and 48th among all countries.[0] Further, I see it as bad for private property is tyranny, the labourer is deprived of the full value of what he creates, and the class society creates artificial necessity to provide wage labour or accumulate sufficient capital just in order to survive. For these reasons I see the system as barbaric, as with our resources it is clearly enough to do better. To say nothing of the horrendous exploitation of those in Bangladesh for example, this only being the most visible example of the exploitation Marx tells us about. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Complete_list_of_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Dev...
  - janus28 9y ago
    Thank you for pointing out how Cuba has regressed relatively to its peers. Cuba used to be the second wealthiest country in the Western Hemisphere. Also that you need to lie about what your source says is sad. It's 68th among all countries.
    - etplayer 9y ago
      The quote I used happened to be incongruent with the source I linked, so I'm sorry for that - I wasn't trying to be disingenuous. That said, you asked for statistics and I have provided them - Cuba in terms of poverty isn't as bad as most of its peers in South America.
      - janus28 9y ago
        Cuba's poverty is only relatively good (ie not actually good) when you restrict its peers to the countries of South America. But when you consider that when Cuba transitioned to communism it was a fully developed economy not a developing country you can understand how badly they have regressed.
        atom058 9y ago
        And of course, this regression has nothing to do with US sanctions during the period. The world is probably not as black and white as we might think at first glance.
        friedman23 9y ago
        Oh yeah, Cuba definitely regressed because of the US embargoes. What's the excuse of every other communist country in the world again?

janus28 9y ago

Explain to me how bad it is and compare it with statistics on poverty from the best communist country you can find me.

etplayer 9y ago
Just to take you up on this, I do not think that Cuba is a Communist country, but it reports very highly on poverty and especially in comparison to other countries in South America. >Despite this, the poverty level reported by the government is one of the lowest in the developing world, ranking 6th out of 108 countries, 4th in Latin America and 48th among all countries.[0] Further, I see it as bad for private property is tyranny, the labourer is deprived of the full value of what he creates, and the class society creates artificial necessity to provide wage labour or accumulate sufficient capital just in order to survive. For these reasons I see the system as barbaric, as with our resources it is clearly enough to do better. To say nothing of the horrendous exploitation of those in Bangladesh for example, this only being the most visible example of the exploitation Marx tells us about. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index#Complete_list_of_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Dev...
- janus28 9y ago
  Thank you for pointing out how Cuba has regressed relatively to its peers. Cuba used to be the second wealthiest country in the Western Hemisphere. Also that you need to lie about what your source says is sad. It's 68th among all countries.
  - etplayer 9y ago
    The quote I used happened to be incongruent with the source I linked, so I'm sorry for that - I wasn't trying to be disingenuous. That said, you asked for statistics and I have provided them - Cuba in terms of poverty isn't as bad as most of its peers in South America.
    - janus28 9y ago
      Cuba's poverty is only relatively good (ie not actually good) when you restrict its peers to the countries of South America. But when you consider that when Cuba transitioned to communism it was a fully developed economy not a developing country you can understand how badly they have regressed.
      - atom058 9y ago
        And of course, this regression has nothing to do with US sanctions during the period. The world is probably not as black and white as we might think at first glance.
        friedman23 9y ago
        Oh yeah, Cuba definitely regressed because of the US embargoes. What's the excuse of every other communist country in the world again?