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Devops Automation Made Simple. Replaces Ansible, Puppet and Chef

2 points by disizjay 9y ago

dozzie 9y ago
> Replaces Ansible, Puppet and Chef > || AGENTLESS ~ BASH OVER SSH ~ PLUG N PLAY || Uhm, no, not even close. You're not agentless, you have the most fragile agent that got ever commonly deployed: shell over SSH. So easy to break it down by accident in so many different ways. The same brain-dead idea as in Ansible (but executed much more poorly), and so far from what Puppet and Chef do. > // nf Terminology // > Seed, Plow, Soil, Sow, Fruit, Feed, Canal You envied Chef its misleading terminology and wanted to invent your own? How does that help your potential users?
- disizjay 9y ago
  You don't want to get involved with complex configuration and programming. Developers and administrators could easily write I put files in node-farmer. Where as in other automation tool it's a nightmare. For example Ansible, you need to write your inputs in YAML programming language, isn't that easy to learn a programming language to do the work ? Everyone is not skilled in programming.
  - disizjay 9y ago
    It's a concept for not getting involved in to programming and complexity for devops automation. It's a working prototype and contributors welcome to shape it well for future.
  - dozzie 9y ago
    > You don't want to get involved with complex configuration and programming. I don't? Why do you think so? And what is this "complex configuration and programming" you're talking about? > Developers and administrators could easily write I put files in node-farmer. Where as in other automation tool it's a nightmare. Uhm... what? What is nightmare? > For example Ansible, you need to write your inputs in YAML programming language, YAML is not a programming language. > isn't that easy to learn a programming language to do the work ? Yes, it is that easy to learn another programming language to do the work. Programmers and sysadmins do that constantly. > Everyone is not skilled in programming. Well, I don't want people unskilled in programming to write programs to manage environment I operate in.
    - disizjay 9y ago
      My bad, YAML is a data serialization language for programming language. Complex configuration mean writing recipes in chef world, writing playbooks in Ansible, you often run into indentation issues or configuration issues. In my opinion I thought to overcome something like this you need to be dumb sometimes. You would like to learn all the programming languages or any new that may come in future but not everyone. You don't wanna be too much skilled or learned to do automation. You can spend that time somewhere else maybe networking or security or architecture.
      - disizjay 9y ago
        Rather spending time on showing your programming skills and technical skills to write a configuration file, spend that time elsewhere.
    - disizjay 9y ago
      Well, I don't want people unskilled in programming to write programs to manage environment I operate in. >You maybe skilled, you may need skilled people only in your env, that's your choice and yours only. Not everyone make same choices. My whole point is, you don't have to be a very skilled person to do the automation. If you wanna spend all your time to prove yourself to be a skilled person in automation that's your choice.
      - dozzie 9y ago
        But yes, of course: I make the choices of not working with incompetent idiots and not being one. You're free to choose differently. By the way, get some English language course before any more Node.js classes. Your language level really shows.
bradknowles 9y ago
Over twenty years ago, we were doing parallel ssh to multiple hosts. We found that did not scale, for many reasons. Thus, cfengine was born. And Puppet. And Chef. And Ansible. Feel free to repeat all their mistakes if you want, but if you want to build a better tool, I would encourage you to learn them and understand their weaknesses first. Just blindly repeating the mistakes of the past is not a recipe for success.
- disizjay 9y ago
  You are right. I am learning from their mistakes and trying to bild a better one, I need good testers and collaborations to build a future tool. I thought this platform will provide me good suggestions and probably good collaborations. Thank you for your suggestions. I'll keep what you said in mind.

2 points by disizjay 9y ago

> Replaces Ansible, Puppet and Chef > || AGENTLESS ~ BASH OVER SSH ~ PLUG N PLAY || Uhm, no, not even close. You're not agentless, you have the most fragile agent that got ever commonly deployed: shell over SSH. So easy to break it down by accident in so many different ways. The same brain-dead idea as in Ansible (but executed much more poorly), and so far from what Puppet and Chef do. > // nf Terminology // > Seed, Plow, Soil, Sow, Fruit, Feed, Canal You envied Chef its misleading terminology and wanted to invent your own? How does that help your potential users?

disizjay 9y ago
You don't want to get involved with complex configuration and programming. Developers and administrators could easily write I put files in node-farmer. Where as in other automation tool it's a nightmare. For example Ansible, you need to write your inputs in YAML programming language, isn't that easy to learn a programming language to do the work ? Everyone is not skilled in programming.
- disizjay 9y ago
  It's a concept for not getting involved in to programming and complexity for devops automation. It's a working prototype and contributors welcome to shape it well for future.
- dozzie 9y ago
  > You don't want to get involved with complex configuration and programming. I don't? Why do you think so? And what is this "complex configuration and programming" you're talking about? > Developers and administrators could easily write I put files in node-farmer. Where as in other automation tool it's a nightmare. Uhm... what? What is nightmare? > For example Ansible, you need to write your inputs in YAML programming language, YAML is not a programming language. > isn't that easy to learn a programming language to do the work ? Yes, it is that easy to learn another programming language to do the work. Programmers and sysadmins do that constantly. > Everyone is not skilled in programming. Well, I don't want people unskilled in programming to write programs to manage environment I operate in.
  - disizjay 9y ago
    My bad, YAML is a data serialization language for programming language. Complex configuration mean writing recipes in chef world, writing playbooks in Ansible, you often run into indentation issues or configuration issues. In my opinion I thought to overcome something like this you need to be dumb sometimes. You would like to learn all the programming languages or any new that may come in future but not everyone. You don't wanna be too much skilled or learned to do automation. You can spend that time somewhere else maybe networking or security or architecture.
    - disizjay 9y ago
      Rather spending time on showing your programming skills and technical skills to write a configuration file, spend that time elsewhere.
  - disizjay 9y ago
    Well, I don't want people unskilled in programming to write programs to manage environment I operate in. >You maybe skilled, you may need skilled people only in your env, that's your choice and yours only. Not everyone make same choices. My whole point is, you don't have to be a very skilled person to do the automation. If you wanna spend all your time to prove yourself to be a skilled person in automation that's your choice.
    - dozzie 9y ago
      But yes, of course: I make the choices of not working with incompetent idiots and not being one. You're free to choose differently. By the way, get some English language course before any more Node.js classes. Your language level really shows.

bradknowles 9y ago

Over twenty years ago, we were doing parallel ssh to multiple hosts. We found that did not scale, for many reasons. Thus, cfengine was born. And Puppet. And Chef. And Ansible. Feel free to repeat all their mistakes if you want, but if you want to build a better tool, I would encourage you to learn them and understand their weaknesses first. Just blindly repeating the mistakes of the past is not a recipe for success.

disizjay 9y ago
You are right. I am learning from their mistakes and trying to bild a better one, I need good testers and collaborations to build a future tool. I thought this platform will provide me good suggestions and probably good collaborations. Thank you for your suggestions. I'll keep what you said in mind.