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But that’s exactly the issue, isn’t it? We need a system that people can install at home, and that never needs someone to configure or maintain it. We need a
by kuschku 9y ago
But that’s exactly the issue, isn’t it?
We need a system that people can install at home, and that never needs someone to configure or maintain it.
We need a system that people can throw on a VPS, and that needs no maintenance or configuration.
We need a system that a company can deploy over clusters of tenthousands of systems, and just works.
If you need a human to manually configure this stuff, it’s broken. The only situation where systemd isn’t useful is when you’re a small company, but large enough to be able to afford an ops guy for every issue there is. Generally, if you need ops to configure the base OS, you’re doing stuff wrong.
This whole point about devops and system is about automating sysadmins away, and this is a very necessary and worthy step.
- digi_owl 9y agohttps://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Chapter_12_4 https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Hitchhiker's_Guide_to_the_... >The major difference between a thing that might go wrong and a thing that cannot possibly go wrong is that when a thing that cannot possibly go wrong goes wrong it usually turns out to be impossible to get at or repair.
- kuschku 9y agoYou can make all these quotes, and comments, but they don’t help in the real world. If you want that every child can run linux, that you can run linux on physical Internet of Things devices that are supposed to run for decades without maintenance (because you cannot access them), then you either have to build something so this can work, or you end up with Windows 10 IoT and Windows 10 Cloud running everything. No one’s gonna hire a sysadmin so they can manually upgrade every lightbulb and fire alarm on the planet, and so they can upgrade all of the servers running your containers manually. Do you think Google has sysadmins manually pulling every update for every server, writing every config? Do you think they will just because you eliminate automation?
- digi_owl 9y agoAnd i take it you side with John Deere...
- kuschku 9y agoNo, I side with the KDE fraction: Everything "just works" by default, but if you want, you can configure everything, and customize everything, and change everything. But if you don’t want to, it still "just works". And that’s exactly what systemd does. It provides a baseline that just works, but you can always dive in and modify everything.