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The porn that's a bad thing is child porn, rape porn, and violence porn.

JupiterMoon 9y ago
Really none of these should be called porn+. They are various forms of abuse imagery and are both crimes and evidence of crimes. + (Assuming the rape and violence are real not just actors)
- jessaustin 9y ago
  In a few years lots of the edgier stuff will just be very realistic computer-generated imagery, but I expect the puritans will be making the same argument? In fact, even if the government set up some sort of bureau of approved CP (maybe they would enforce that all legal CP could be built from source?) lots of people would still want it outlawed...
  - alsetmusic 9y ago
    > In a few years lots of the edgier stuff will just be very realistic computer-generated imagery, but I expect the puritans will be making the same argument? In fact, even if the government set up some sort of bureau of approved CP (maybe they would enforce that all legal CP could be built from source?) lots of people would still want it outlawed... I lack a citation, but I believe even mock child porn is already illegal in the US.
  - snakeanus 9y ago
    Countries like the UK and Canada already consider drawn pornography of characters that look underage illegal. Most Japanese anime and manga pornography (even extremely unrealistic hand-drawn instances of it) is already illegal in these countries, see http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/anime-fan-convicted-over-illegal-7958896 http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/anime-fan-co... for example.
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    - etplayer 9y ago
      Not only the UK an Canada, but Australia, NZ and some European countries too have implemented what I must say is a heinous law against freedom of expression through drawing. This hideous trend shows that governments have little care. It was also illegal in all of the US at the country level, however this was stricken down by SCOTUS rightly in my judgement as a violation of the first amendment. There are still state laws against it.
- khedoros1 9y ago
  > They are various forms of abuse imagery and are both crimes and evidence of crimes. They can be that and still be porn to some people.
TheAceOfHearts 9y ago
Those are the bad apples.
- rad88 9y ago
  Bad apples means tiny minority. The proportion of porn being exchanged on Tor marketplaces that involves children or abuse is not tiny.
jack1243star 9y ago
You mean child abuse, rape and violence. Sexual kinks are too often the scapegoat used.
snakeanus 9y ago
The act of creating them is bad, the porn itself is not. It's just data that harms nobody.
- AlexeyBrin 9y ago
  Think about what you are claiming ... by consuming child/rape/violent porn for example, you indirectly encourage the production of new data.
  - snakeanus 9y ago
    How so?
    - rad88 9y ago
      By indicating you want it and being a participant in the market for it. There are people who, knowing you are like them and enjoy that sort of thing, will make it for you. To make you happy. It's that sick.
      - snakeanus 9y ago
        > There are people who, knowing you are like them and enjoy that sort of thing, will make it for you. To make you happy. I doubt that anyone would make child pornography in order to satisfy someone else. I would be pretty sure that one would do it either for a huge financial gain, personal satisfaction, or both. The people who upload it for free would still rape children even if they were not able to upload it anywhere. Considering that I would say that this argument is even worse than saying that the media should stop reporting terrorist attacks to disencourage the terrorists from performing terrorist acts (assuming that they do it for personal fame or to scare people). The first could be solved by catching people who are buying and selling. However none of these can be solved by catching people who simply watch or distribute but do not create nor buy child pornography - catching them would be arresting them for a thoughtcrime.
      - etplayer 9y ago

Really none of these should be called porn+. They are various forms of abuse imagery and are both crimes and evidence of crimes. + (Assuming the rape and violence are real not just actors)

jessaustin 9y ago
In a few years lots of the edgier stuff will just be very realistic computer-generated imagery, but I expect the puritans will be making the same argument? In fact, even if the government set up some sort of bureau of approved CP (maybe they would enforce that all legal CP could be built from source?) lots of people would still want it outlawed...
- alsetmusic 9y ago
  > In a few years lots of the edgier stuff will just be very realistic computer-generated imagery, but I expect the puritans will be making the same argument? In fact, even if the government set up some sort of bureau of approved CP (maybe they would enforce that all legal CP could be built from source?) lots of people would still want it outlawed... I lack a citation, but I believe even mock child porn is already illegal in the US.
- snakeanus 9y ago
  Countries like the UK and Canada already consider drawn pornography of characters that look underage illegal. Most Japanese anime and manga pornography (even extremely unrealistic hand-drawn instances of it) is already illegal in these countries, see http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/anime-fan-convicted-over-illegal-7958896 http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/anime-fan-co... for example.
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  - etplayer 9y ago
    Not only the UK an Canada, but Australia, NZ and some European countries too have implemented what I must say is a heinous law against freedom of expression through drawing. This hideous trend shows that governments have little care. It was also illegal in all of the US at the country level, however this was stricken down by SCOTUS rightly in my judgement as a violation of the first amendment. There are still state laws against it.
khedoros1 9y ago
> They are various forms of abuse imagery and are both crimes and evidence of crimes. They can be that and still be porn to some people.

TheAceOfHearts 9y ago

Those are the bad apples.

rad88 9y ago
Bad apples means tiny minority. The proportion of porn being exchanged on Tor marketplaces that involves children or abuse is not tiny.

jack1243star 9y ago

You mean child abuse, rape and violence. Sexual kinks are too often the scapegoat used.

snakeanus 9y ago

The act of creating them is bad, the porn itself is not. It's just data that harms nobody.

AlexeyBrin 9y ago
Think about what you are claiming ... by consuming child/rape/violent porn for example, you indirectly encourage the production of new data.
- snakeanus 9y ago
  How so?
  - rad88 9y ago
    By indicating you want it and being a participant in the market for it. There are people who, knowing you are like them and enjoy that sort of thing, will make it for you. To make you happy. It's that sick.
    - snakeanus 9y ago
      > There are people who, knowing you are like them and enjoy that sort of thing, will make it for you. To make you happy. I doubt that anyone would make child pornography in order to satisfy someone else. I would be pretty sure that one would do it either for a huge financial gain, personal satisfaction, or both. The people who upload it for free would still rape children even if they were not able to upload it anywhere. Considering that I would say that this argument is even worse than saying that the media should stop reporting terrorist attacks to disencourage the terrorists from performing terrorist acts (assuming that they do it for personal fame or to scare people). The first could be solved by catching people who are buying and selling. However none of these can be solved by catching people who simply watch or distribute but do not create nor buy child pornography - catching them would be arresting them for a thoughtcrime.
    - etplayer 9y ago