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Hey Gandalf! One of the big disconnects in participation is technical vs. non technical. I still believes Mozilla is very welcoming to people that can contribut

Hey Gandalf! One of the big disconnects in participation is technical vs. non technical. I still believes Mozilla is very welcoming to people that can contribute to building the product. However it's much less willing to let people contribute to decide what should be built. Not saying it's good or bad - Mozilla has never been a democracy - but I feel this is what people complain a lot about. At the same time I don't see the situation improving, with more and more product/project management happening behind the scenes in docs/platform that are not even accessible in read-only mode publicly.

zbraniecki 9y ago
Hi Fabrice! > At the same time I don't see the situation improving I actually do, but as you know, I'm an optimist by nature :) The path that could lead to Mozilla tech opening for the case you're describing may look like this: * Fx 57 is successful * Gecko successfully transitions to be a modern Web engine with its own advantages over other engines * The new features such as Rust and leapfrogging advancements like Stylo/WebRender etc. add up to make people want to use Gecko/Servo over other engines in their products * We're successful at building a node/electron like wrapper for Gecko/Servo * The innovation begins I don't think it's certain, and I don't know if it'll happen, but I do now that there are people tinkering with things like GeckoView and electron like wrappers, with target for next year. It's not guaranteed, but I do hope it'll happen.
- fabrice_d 9y ago
  That's a lot of ifs... And again these are very technical aspects, not strategic/product ones. Mozilla has been putting 110% of their effort on a Desktop browser recently. Fine, their choice, but I can't help but think that their are cornering themselves in a niche and are missing where the new tech users will be. As you can guess, I really feel it's a shame that gecko is becoming really good, just not used in a context that matters.
  - zbraniecki 9y ago
    > That's a lot of ifs... And again these are very technical aspects, not strategic/product ones. Correct. Lots of ifs. And on top of that, ifs from a regular engineer which means I know even less about all the factors in play than I should to predict. > Mozilla has been putting 110% of their effort on a Desktop browser recently. Fine, their choice, but I can't help but think that their are cornering themselves in a niche and are missing where the new tech users will be. My personal take is that we have to start somewhere. We can try to come up with a completely new technology, and we're trying to - see Servo. We can make Gecko the best web engine on the planet. Or we can try to build amazing products on top of an ok engine. I believe we have to start somewhere, and stating by bringing Gecko to excellence is not a bad choice. > As you can guess, I really feel it's a shame that gecko is becoming really good, just not used in a context that matters. yeah. I know :)

zbraniecki 9y ago

Hi Fabrice! > At the same time I don't see the situation improving I actually do, but as you know, I'm an optimist by nature :) The path that could lead to Mozilla tech opening for the case you're describing may look like this: * Fx 57 is successful * Gecko successfully transitions to be a modern Web engine with its own advantages over other engines * The new features such as Rust and leapfrogging advancements like Stylo/WebRender etc. add up to make people want to use Gecko/Servo over other engines in their products * We're successful at building a node/electron like wrapper for Gecko/Servo * The innovation begins I don't think it's certain, and I don't know if it'll happen, but I do now that there are people tinkering with things like GeckoView and electron like wrappers, with target for next year. It's not guaranteed, but I do hope it'll happen.

fabrice_d 9y ago
That's a lot of ifs... And again these are very technical aspects, not strategic/product ones. Mozilla has been putting 110% of their effort on a Desktop browser recently. Fine, their choice, but I can't help but think that their are cornering themselves in a niche and are missing where the new tech users will be. As you can guess, I really feel it's a shame that gecko is becoming really good, just not used in a context that matters.
- zbraniecki 9y ago
  > That's a lot of ifs... And again these are very technical aspects, not strategic/product ones. Correct. Lots of ifs. And on top of that, ifs from a regular engineer which means I know even less about all the factors in play than I should to predict. > Mozilla has been putting 110% of their effort on a Desktop browser recently. Fine, their choice, but I can't help but think that their are cornering themselves in a niche and are missing where the new tech users will be. My personal take is that we have to start somewhere. We can try to come up with a completely new technology, and we're trying to - see Servo. We can make Gecko the best web engine on the planet. Or we can try to build amazing products on top of an ok engine. I believe we have to start somewhere, and stating by bringing Gecko to excellence is not a bad choice. > As you can guess, I really feel it's a shame that gecko is becoming really good, just not used in a context that matters. yeah. I know :)