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> Let's face it: Nobody loves working in Android Studio, Eclipse, or NetBeans – the IDEs are bloated, clunky and unintuitive. Uh... I don't agree for IntelliJ/

> Let's face it: Nobody loves working in Android Studio, Eclipse, or NetBeans – the IDEs are bloated, clunky and unintuitive. Uh... I don't agree for IntelliJ/Android Studio, and I'm sure some people love to work with NetBeans and Eclipse.

_pmf_ 9y ago
I love Eclipse and am unable to cope with the laggy, crashing trainwreck that is Android Studio. The fucking joke is: it runs the build as another process, yet still manages to be completely unresponsive and prone to crashing.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  Netbeans is my favourite Java IDE and I used to bash Eclipse, yet thanks to Android Studio, Google has made me love Eclipse again.
  - qw 9y ago
    Android Studio is based on Intellij.
    - pjmlp 9y ago
      Every developer with Android experience knows that, and both require more resources than either Netbeans or Eclipse, but whatever Google makes to their fork of Intellij, makes Android Studio even worse.
      - snuxoll 9y ago
        The android dev tools have never been that great, and I feel they’re even worse with the new Gradle build system (although yay, Maven dependcies without needing to pull in Ivy?) I use IntelliJ daily without issues, literally the only difference between my work and that of a Android Studio user is the Android plugin and the different build system.
    - coldtea 9y ago
      That's the joke.
  - pron 9y ago
    A fellow NetBeans fan! I keep trying to like IntelliJ but always come back to NetBeans. I also recently picked up Eclipse again, but mostly for C++.
whois 9y ago
Yea I use Intellij Ultimate for just about everything. And at least on my computer (I know this isn't representative) Android Studio isn't the laggy piece of crap everyone says it is. It works just like Intellij but with Android support.
bernadus_edwin 9y ago
Yes, android studio is clunky. But give good experience. Autocomplete variable name and lot refactoring technique. Actually it similiar to vs + resharper. The different is you cannot remove unplug reshaper from android studio
meddlepal 9y ago
Yeah... I love IntelliJ. I use it for everything.
- jswizzy 9y ago
  You can even use it for Android and IOS development if you use Flutter which is basically Java swing meets ReactJS but written in Dart which is what Java syntax would look like if it was created today.
hugi 9y ago
Eclipse is awesome.
dpatriarche 9y ago
I love Eclipse for working in Java, and I love IntelliJ for working in Kotlin. My impression is that people who don't like IDEs haven't put the effort into figuring out how to use them effectively -- modern IDEs have incredible power to increase productivity, but you have to learn how, and you have to make some accommodations in how you work. I say this from experience: I started my career coding C/C++ in Emacs and I didn't get the fuss with IDEs. Then 10 years ago I started working in Java in Eclipse and I realized what I had been missing. But in order to realize the full benefit of the IDE I had to adjust to how the IDE wants to work, e.g. spend time configuring the automatic code formatter, and let go of some of my formatting quirks that the automatic formatter couldn't handle.
- agumonkey 9y ago
  Eclipse for Java is ok, but Eclipse needs and lackluster made me write many emacs lisp extension (and not because of eclipse ergonomics, for handling build time parameters), that says something.
  - dajohnson89 9y ago
    I have to use eclipse for my work, and as lifelong intellij user eclipse is awful awful awful. It takes the fun out of working.
    - agumonkey 9y ago
      Eclipse had issues, everything has issues, but it's been awful for years. I don't understand how they keep going.
- fiddlerwoaroof 9y ago
  My general experience is that Java needs an IDE because the language forces a bunch of boilerplate and a file/directory structure that is very difficult to navigate without a bunch of tooling. However, in other languages, the gap between the IDE experience and the well-configured vim/emacs experience is much narrower.
skybrian 9y ago
These IDE's often work okay from a user perspective. It's different when you are writing a plugin and read the source code. Then you see how the sausage is made, and it's not pretty.
watwut 9y ago
I love them both. Plus, honestly enjoy waaay more then any javascript ide I encountered (and tried them all).
peterashford 9y ago
Netbeans is my favourite IDE =)

_pmf_ 9y ago

I love Eclipse and am unable to cope with the laggy, crashing trainwreck that is Android Studio. The fucking joke is: it runs the build as another process, yet still manages to be completely unresponsive and prone to crashing.

pjmlp 9y ago
Netbeans is my favourite Java IDE and I used to bash Eclipse, yet thanks to Android Studio, Google has made me love Eclipse again.
- qw 9y ago
  Android Studio is based on Intellij.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    Every developer with Android experience knows that, and both require more resources than either Netbeans or Eclipse, but whatever Google makes to their fork of Intellij, makes Android Studio even worse.
    - snuxoll 9y ago
      The android dev tools have never been that great, and I feel they’re even worse with the new Gradle build system (although yay, Maven dependcies without needing to pull in Ivy?) I use IntelliJ daily without issues, literally the only difference between my work and that of a Android Studio user is the Android plugin and the different build system.
  - coldtea 9y ago
    That's the joke.
- pron 9y ago
  A fellow NetBeans fan! I keep trying to like IntelliJ but always come back to NetBeans. I also recently picked up Eclipse again, but mostly for C++.

whois 9y ago

Yea I use Intellij Ultimate for just about everything. And at least on my computer (I know this isn't representative) Android Studio isn't the laggy piece of crap everyone says it is. It works just like Intellij but with Android support.

bernadus_edwin 9y ago

Yes, android studio is clunky. But give good experience. Autocomplete variable name and lot refactoring technique. Actually it similiar to vs + resharper. The different is you cannot remove unplug reshaper from android studio

meddlepal 9y ago

Yeah... I love IntelliJ. I use it for everything.

jswizzy 9y ago
You can even use it for Android and IOS development if you use Flutter which is basically Java swing meets ReactJS but written in Dart which is what Java syntax would look like if it was created today.

hugi 9y ago

Eclipse is awesome.

dpatriarche 9y ago

I love Eclipse for working in Java, and I love IntelliJ for working in Kotlin. My impression is that people who don't like IDEs haven't put the effort into figuring out how to use them effectively -- modern IDEs have incredible power to increase productivity, but you have to learn how, and you have to make some accommodations in how you work. I say this from experience: I started my career coding C/C++ in Emacs and I didn't get the fuss with IDEs. Then 10 years ago I started working in Java in Eclipse and I realized what I had been missing. But in order to realize the full benefit of the IDE I had to adjust to how the IDE wants to work, e.g. spend time configuring the automatic code formatter, and let go of some of my formatting quirks that the automatic formatter couldn't handle.

agumonkey 9y ago
Eclipse for Java is ok, but Eclipse needs and lackluster made me write many emacs lisp extension (and not because of eclipse ergonomics, for handling build time parameters), that says something.
- dajohnson89 9y ago
  I have to use eclipse for my work, and as lifelong intellij user eclipse is awful awful awful. It takes the fun out of working.
  - agumonkey 9y ago
    Eclipse had issues, everything has issues, but it's been awful for years. I don't understand how they keep going.
fiddlerwoaroof 9y ago
My general experience is that Java needs an IDE because the language forces a bunch of boilerplate and a file/directory structure that is very difficult to navigate without a bunch of tooling. However, in other languages, the gap between the IDE experience and the well-configured vim/emacs experience is much narrower.

skybrian 9y ago

These IDE's often work okay from a user perspective. It's different when you are writing a plugin and read the source code. Then you see how the sausage is made, and it's not pretty.

watwut 9y ago

I love them both. Plus, honestly enjoy waaay more then any javascript ide I encountered (and tried them all).

peterashford 9y ago

Netbeans is my favourite IDE =)