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And they need help in collecting theoretically anonymous data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492

by ygaf 9y ago

zbraniecki 9y ago
We also need help in making it practically anonymous :)
- kuschku 9y ago
  And you need to submit complaints to your local data privacy official about this planned data collection which is not opt-in (and therefore violates the privacy laws). If you live in the EU, submit a complaint to your local data privacy official, in Germany those are the Landesdatenschutzbauftragten and Bundesdatenschutzbeauftragten, for example, you can find the ones for Schleswig-Holstein here: https://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/impressum/ https://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/impressum/. Submit a complaint today, so that a legal process against Mozilla can happen before they implement this.
  - sgift 9y ago
    Section 28, (6) of the BDSG (German Federal Data Protection Act): (6) The collection, processing and use of special types of personal data (Section 3 (9)) for own commercial purposes shall be admissible when the data subject has not consented in accordance with Section 4a (3) if (...) 4. this is necessary for the purposes of scientific research, where the scientific interest in carrying out the research project substantially outweighs the data subject's interest in excluding collection, processing and use and the purpose of the research cannot be achieved in any other way or would otherwise necessitate disproportionate effort. --- https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bdsg/englisch_bdsg.html#p0383 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bdsg/englisch_bd... --- IANAL. Everyone may draw their own conclusions.
    - kuschku 9y ago
      You quoted: > The collection, processing and use of special types of personal data (Section 3 (9)) BDSG Section 3 (9) says: > (9) “Special categories of personal data” means information on a person’s racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical convictions, union membership, health or sex life. This exception does not apply to behaviourial tracking, such as the list of the visited domains. This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer.
- jwilk 9y ago
  Oh, that's very easy. If you don't collect any data, all the data you collect will be practically anonymous.
  - zbraniecki 9y ago
    If you don't bother to understand the factors, then yes, it's very easy :) Unfortunately, making opinions without learning about the factors in play is called "ignorance" and usually is frowned upon.
- ygaf 9y ago
  I should have wrote "how to collect". I thought I remembered a mozilla employee asking HN to let them know if their anonymisation methods were adequate (not necessarily in that latest thread).

And they need help in collecting theoretically anonymous data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492

by ygaf 9y ago

And they need help in collecting theoretically anonymous data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15071492

zbraniecki 9y ago

We also need help in making it practically anonymous :)

kuschku 9y ago
And you need to submit complaints to your local data privacy official about this planned data collection which is not opt-in (and therefore violates the privacy laws). If you live in the EU, submit a complaint to your local data privacy official, in Germany those are the Landesdatenschutzbauftragten and Bundesdatenschutzbeauftragten, for example, you can find the ones for Schleswig-Holstein here: https://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/impressum/ https://www.datenschutzzentrum.de/impressum/. Submit a complaint today, so that a legal process against Mozilla can happen before they implement this.
- sgift 9y ago
  Section 28, (6) of the BDSG (German Federal Data Protection Act): (6) The collection, processing and use of special types of personal data (Section 3 (9)) for own commercial purposes shall be admissible when the data subject has not consented in accordance with Section 4a (3) if (...) 4. this is necessary for the purposes of scientific research, where the scientific interest in carrying out the research project substantially outweighs the data subject's interest in excluding collection, processing and use and the purpose of the research cannot be achieved in any other way or would otherwise necessitate disproportionate effort. --- https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bdsg/englisch_bdsg.html#p0383 https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_bdsg/englisch_bd... --- IANAL. Everyone may draw their own conclusions.
  - kuschku 9y ago
    You quoted: > The collection, processing and use of special types of personal data (Section 3 (9)) BDSG Section 3 (9) says: > (9) “Special categories of personal data” means information on a person’s racial or ethnic origin, political opinions, religious or philosophical convictions, union membership, health or sex life. This exception does not apply to behaviourial tracking, such as the list of the visited domains. This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer.
jwilk 9y ago
Oh, that's very easy. If you don't collect any data, all the data you collect will be practically anonymous.
- zbraniecki 9y ago
  If you don't bother to understand the factors, then yes, it's very easy :) Unfortunately, making opinions without learning about the factors in play is called "ignorance" and usually is frowned upon.
ygaf 9y ago
I should have wrote "how to collect". I thought I remembered a mozilla employee asking HN to let them know if their anonymisation methods were adequate (not necessarily in that latest thread).