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Why is it conspiracy? Not everybody lives in conservative religious countries.

by btian 9y ago

the_stc 9y ago
I expect that the moment we operate in the US (next year), someone will want to press conspiracy charges against us, regardless of where we are or local laws. Plus living in a place where this is fully legal (very few places) is not a viable defense strategy. We must rely on anonymization technology, limited trusted humans (core cell < 5 people), and probably rotate our core team within a year or two. High risk, decent reward, and really making a positive contribution to humanity (sex workers are often victimized -- did you know some places won't even recognize rape against a sex worker?). It might be illegal (hence us operating as an anonymous EJC) but it is very ethical.
- btian 9y ago
  Why don't you operate in places where it's legal? Like Germany, UK, Switzerland, Netherlands etc.
  - tim333 9y ago
    Semi legal in the UK. They operate as 'escort agencies' where the agency just provides a girl to escort you as it were for a limited fee and then if you want the other services you pay the girl in cash which is legal in the UK. But for the agency to take a money directly for sex services would end up with prison time. the_stc might consider something like that? It reduces the legal risk.
    - icebraining 9y ago
      Yeah, but doesn't it increase the risk for the worker, if the client doesn't pay or demands their money back?
jaggederest 9y ago
The long arm of US law is not so easily dissuaded. Violating the laws of other countries is illegal in the US. Even if you've never set foot on US soil or transacted with any US persons or companies, you might still be liable for your actions elsewhere, especially if you're an international company. Maybe money transits through the US, or data, and boom. IANAL but it's not so simple as just drawing a bright line around the US and staying out - though that is a significant first step. They can reach out and touch you for things like... money laundering! Which of course sounds a lot like what the_stc is doing, laundering the profits of illegal (in the US) transactions. It doesn't even need to be illegal where you are, or where the clients are.

Why is it conspiracy? Not everybody lives in conservative religious countries.

by btian 9y ago

Why is it conspiracy? Not everybody lives in conservative religious countries.

I expect that the moment we operate in the US (next year), someone will want to press conspiracy charges against us, regardless of where we are or local laws. Plus living in a place where this is fully legal (very few places) is not a viable defense strategy. We must rely on anonymization technology, limited trusted humans (core cell < 5 people), and probably rotate our core team within a year or two. High risk, decent reward, and really making a positive contribution to humanity (sex workers are often victimized -- did you know some places won't even recognize rape against a sex worker?). It might be illegal (hence us operating as an anonymous EJC) but it is very ethical.

btian 9y ago
Why don't you operate in places where it's legal? Like Germany, UK, Switzerland, Netherlands etc.
- tim333 9y ago
  Semi legal in the UK. They operate as 'escort agencies' where the agency just provides a girl to escort you as it were for a limited fee and then if you want the other services you pay the girl in cash which is legal in the UK. But for the agency to take a money directly for sex services would end up with prison time. the_stc might consider something like that? It reduces the legal risk.
  - icebraining 9y ago
    Yeah, but doesn't it increase the risk for the worker, if the client doesn't pay or demands their money back?

jaggederest 9y ago

The long arm of US law is not so easily dissuaded. Violating the laws of other countries is illegal in the US. Even if you've never set foot on US soil or transacted with any US persons or companies, you might still be liable for your actions elsewhere, especially if you're an international company. Maybe money transits through the US, or data, and boom. IANAL but it's not so simple as just drawing a bright line around the US and staying out - though that is a significant first step. They can reach out and touch you for things like... money laundering! Which of course sounds a lot like what the_stc is doing, laundering the profits of illegal (in the US) transactions. It doesn't even need to be illegal where you are, or where the clients are.