I'm curious why you think the ecosystem contributes to the bad rep. If anything, I think that's one thing PHP has going for it. In general, yes, seasoned progra

I'm curious why you think the ecosystem contributes to the bad rep. If anything, I think that's one thing PHP has going for it. In general, yes, seasoned programmers who are new(ish) to PHP tend to have a bit of a NIH-based bias against the frameworks, but you gotta admit that other languages simply don't have the one-click-install-everything-you-will-never-need sort of thing that Fantastico or whatever gives you. >> Well, there's one -- Java-style OO. But incidentally, Java is almost impossible to use for the same reason. Tiobe begs to differ :)