And let me re-assure, trained managers know this very well (I'm one). An org needs a good mix of trained managers and managers who have been promoted from non-m

And let me re-assure, trained managers know this very well (I'm one). An org needs a good mix of trained managers and managers who have been promoted from non-management working together. And just like good technicians (and practitioners in most disciplines), when we're doing the best work, it hardly looks like we're doing anything at all - which is hard to distinguish from managers who are hardly doing anything at all!