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Gah: 'Mentee'. A Mentor doesn't practise the art of 'menting'! The name comes from the character of Mentor in Homer's Odyssey. A mentor has protégées. (Yeah,

Gah: 'Mentee'. A Mentor doesn't practise the art of 'menting'! The name comes from the character of Mentor in Homer's Odyssey. A mentor has protégées. (Yeah, I know Wikipedia mentions 'mentee' - it's still a horrible word in my book.) /pet peeve!

cafard 9y ago
Thank you. It is a pet peeve of mine also.
grzm 9y ago
Thanks for the etymology. Very interesting! At the same time, language evolves and changes. Expecting it not to is likely only to lead to frustration. (I'm not immune. "Steep learning curve" to mean something difficult to learn gets me a bit riled.) The change you observe here is back formation[0], I believe. Now, if you'll please excuse me. I think there are some kids on my lawn. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-formation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-formation
- nrs26 9y ago
  Interesting! Why do you get riled at "steep learning curve"?
  - grzm 9y ago
    The original formulation is based on a skill acquisition vs experience chart. On such a chart, a steep learning curve is one where skills are acquired quickly, as opposed to skills that are difficult to acquire. The common "steep learning curve" = "difficult" usage is understandable, given that steep hills are more difficult to climb. It's a knee-jerk reaction for me so it's transient: you're not going to see steam coming out of my ears :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve
- Jugurtha 9y ago
  >(I'm not immune. "Steep learning curve" to mean something difficult to learn gets me a bit riled.) This has exactly the same effect on me. I've always thought about skill acquisition in terms of RC time constant: the time it takes me to reach 63.2% of something is finite and infinitely smaller than the time it takes to reach 100% (which never comes, hence the infinitely smaller), sometimes a sigmoid pops into my head. So when I heard the expression "steepest learning curve" for the first time, I thought "sweet! tau is really small! Heaviside function like skill acquisition." My brain melted when the context that followed the expression suggested that the thing was "really hard". "But.. but.. you have a Dirac like rate". I use it sometimes but I give offerings to the Gods asking for forgiveness.
kmill 9y ago
Are you sure the name ultimately comes from the character? Or was the character named after the idea of advising? The Online Etymology Dictionary suggests it means "advisor" as the agent noun for mentos, meaning "intent, purpose, spirit, passion." It could be related to monitor, and "men-", "to think." Prescribe how you want, but one could make the case the mentee is the spirit-receiver of the mentor.
Jugurtha 9y ago
"protégées" is for a female only group. If at least one male is in the group, you drop the "e" and it becomes "protégés".

cafard 9y ago

Thank you. It is a pet peeve of mine also.

grzm 9y ago

Thanks for the etymology. Very interesting! At the same time, language evolves and changes. Expecting it not to is likely only to lead to frustration. (I'm not immune. "Steep learning curve" to mean something difficult to learn gets me a bit riled.) The change you observe here is back formation[0], I believe. Now, if you'll please excuse me. I think there are some kids on my lawn. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-formation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-formation

nrs26 9y ago
Interesting! Why do you get riled at "steep learning curve"?
- grzm 9y ago
  The original formulation is based on a skill acquisition vs experience chart. On such a chart, a steep learning curve is one where skills are acquired quickly, as opposed to skills that are difficult to acquire. The common "steep learning curve" = "difficult" usage is understandable, given that steep hills are more difficult to climb. It's a knee-jerk reaction for me so it's transient: you're not going to see steam coming out of my ears :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learning_curve
Jugurtha 9y ago
>(I'm not immune. "Steep learning curve" to mean something difficult to learn gets me a bit riled.) This has exactly the same effect on me. I've always thought about skill acquisition in terms of RC time constant: the time it takes me to reach 63.2% of something is finite and infinitely smaller than the time it takes to reach 100% (which never comes, hence the infinitely smaller), sometimes a sigmoid pops into my head. So when I heard the expression "steepest learning curve" for the first time, I thought "sweet! tau is really small! Heaviside function like skill acquisition." My brain melted when the context that followed the expression suggested that the thing was "really hard". "But.. but.. you have a Dirac like rate". I use it sometimes but I give offerings to the Gods asking for forgiveness.

kmill 9y ago

Are you sure the name ultimately comes from the character? Or was the character named after the idea of advising? The Online Etymology Dictionary suggests it means "advisor" as the agent noun for mentos, meaning "intent, purpose, spirit, passion." It could be related to monitor, and "men-", "to think." Prescribe how you want, but one could make the case the mentee is the spirit-receiver of the mentor.

Jugurtha 9y ago

"protégées" is for a female only group. If at least one male is in the group, you drop the "e" and it becomes "protégés".