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Until I lose it, or it breaks. Or I need a different adapter to support something else (which I will). Or I need more than one so I don't have to carry it with

Until I lose it, or it breaks. Or I need a different adapter to support something else (which I will). Or I need more than one so I don't have to carry it with me everywhere. Or, most likely, until Apple decides they don't need to include it and start charging for it. Why should I pay more, or even the same, for something less convenient?

scarface74 9y ago
You don't mind paying for a $700 phone but you have a problem paying for a second $9.99 adapter?
- ivraatiems 9y ago
  The phone will work for as long as I don't break it, and I can find it any time. Adapters break, get lost, and are extra clutter to carry around. The point is not that I can't pay for it. It's that there's no good reason I should have to except some marketing goon thinking people want thin phones, and some execs wanting to sell expensive headphones. If I'm paying $700 for a phone, it had better damn well be the phone I want to have. A phone without a headphone jack is not a phone I want to have.
  - scarface74 9y ago
    How does removing the headphone jack help Apple sell more headphones? The iPhone can work with any Bluetooth headset, any wired headset with the included adapter or third party headset with a lightning end. Do you really think that people are going to run out and buy $150 AirPods just because of the lack of a headset? How is losing the adapter any different than losing or breaking the lightning cable? How is buying extra adapters any different than buying extra lightning cables. I remember when the iMac came out and people were complaining that Apple got rid of the floppy drive and the big uproar when Apple got rid of the optical drive years later.
    - ivraatiems 9y ago
      > How does removing the headphone jack help Apple sell more headphones? The iPhone can work with any Bluetooth headset, any wired headset with the included adapter or third party headset with a lightning end. Do you really think that people are going to run out and buy $150 AirPods just because of the lack of a headset? Apple also owns Beats, a major headphones manufacturer. I think the connection is obvious; people want an Apple-branded thing to go with their Apple-branded phone, they're gonna pay for it. > Do you really think that people are going to run out and buy $150 AirPods just because of the lack of a headset? Have, will, and are, yes. > How is losing the adapter any different than losing or breaking the lightning cable? How is buying extra adapters any different than buying extra lightning cables. You're really not engaging with the core of my argument. There's no good reason for me to have to worry about it at ALL except that Apple has decided they don't want headphone jacks. CDs are a clear upgrade over floppies in every way; Bluetooth is not an upgrade over an analog jack for me. It might be for some people, but I'm not one of them. I'm not sure what it is you think I should do - cop to whatever Apple wants 'cause they're Apple and they must know better? I don't like a change they made. I'm going to complain about it because I want them to undo it, and I'm not going to buy their products if they don't have what I want. No, it's not the end of the world. Yes, other companies are doing it too - I won't buy their phones either. But this is how, as a consumer, one makes a corporation listen to them.
      - scarface74 9y ago
        If you care about audio quality, why would you want to use the headphone jack that has to go through the DAC? Even back in my iPod days I had a 30 pin adapter that would give me line out support to the stereo system. Now I use a USB cable to connect to the car audio. I have three ways to connect my iPhone to my cheap car - a 1/8 inch analog audio port, Bluetooth and USB. Two out of three of those don't involve going through the relatively poor amp in the headphone jack. 5 years from now, I doubt high end phones will have an analog headphone jack.
        ivraatiems 9y ago
        You're still not responding to the core of my issue here, so I don't see a point in continuing this discussion. I can respond to each and every point about audio quality, convenience, etc, etc, etc, but the real point - I'm not supporting Apple doing something I didn't ask for in order to achieve something I don't want for money I don't care to spend, and that should be an acceptable thing - gets lost if I do.

scarface74 9y ago

You don't mind paying for a $700 phone but you have a problem paying for a second $9.99 adapter?

ivraatiems 9y ago
The phone will work for as long as I don't break it, and I can find it any time. Adapters break, get lost, and are extra clutter to carry around. The point is not that I can't pay for it. It's that there's no good reason I should have to except some marketing goon thinking people want thin phones, and some execs wanting to sell expensive headphones. If I'm paying $700 for a phone, it had better damn well be the phone I want to have. A phone without a headphone jack is not a phone I want to have.
- scarface74 9y ago
  How does removing the headphone jack help Apple sell more headphones? The iPhone can work with any Bluetooth headset, any wired headset with the included adapter or third party headset with a lightning end. Do you really think that people are going to run out and buy $150 AirPods just because of the lack of a headset? How is losing the adapter any different than losing or breaking the lightning cable? How is buying extra adapters any different than buying extra lightning cables. I remember when the iMac came out and people were complaining that Apple got rid of the floppy drive and the big uproar when Apple got rid of the optical drive years later.
  - ivraatiems 9y ago
    > How does removing the headphone jack help Apple sell more headphones? The iPhone can work with any Bluetooth headset, any wired headset with the included adapter or third party headset with a lightning end. Do you really think that people are going to run out and buy $150 AirPods just because of the lack of a headset? Apple also owns Beats, a major headphones manufacturer. I think the connection is obvious; people want an Apple-branded thing to go with their Apple-branded phone, they're gonna pay for it. > Do you really think that people are going to run out and buy $150 AirPods just because of the lack of a headset? Have, will, and are, yes. > How is losing the adapter any different than losing or breaking the lightning cable? How is buying extra adapters any different than buying extra lightning cables. You're really not engaging with the core of my argument. There's no good reason for me to have to worry about it at ALL except that Apple has decided they don't want headphone jacks. CDs are a clear upgrade over floppies in every way; Bluetooth is not an upgrade over an analog jack for me. It might be for some people, but I'm not one of them. I'm not sure what it is you think I should do - cop to whatever Apple wants 'cause they're Apple and they must know better? I don't like a change they made. I'm going to complain about it because I want them to undo it, and I'm not going to buy their products if they don't have what I want. No, it's not the end of the world. Yes, other companies are doing it too - I won't buy their phones either. But this is how, as a consumer, one makes a corporation listen to them.
    - scarface74 9y ago
      If you care about audio quality, why would you want to use the headphone jack that has to go through the DAC? Even back in my iPod days I had a 30 pin adapter that would give me line out support to the stereo system. Now I use a USB cable to connect to the car audio. I have three ways to connect my iPhone to my cheap car - a 1/8 inch analog audio port, Bluetooth and USB. Two out of three of those don't involve going through the relatively poor amp in the headphone jack. 5 years from now, I doubt high end phones will have an analog headphone jack.
      - ivraatiems 9y ago
        You're still not responding to the core of my issue here, so I don't see a point in continuing this discussion. I can respond to each and every point about audio quality, convenience, etc, etc, etc, but the real point - I'm not supporting Apple doing something I didn't ask for in order to achieve something I don't want for money I don't care to spend, and that should be an acceptable thing - gets lost if I do.